The manual transmission is well on its slide into obsolescence within the automotive world. Meanwhile, every major motorcycle manufacturer is developing fresh bikes to appeal to a new generation of riders, with a renewed focus on looking at ways to lower inhibitions of entry-level riders.

Case in point, this trio of motorcycles, none of which is equipped with a clutch lever.

This shootout was originally slated to have only two bikes, the Aprilia Mana 850 GT ABS and the Honda NC700X DCT ABS, since they represent the two clutch-leverless strategies employed on full-sized motorcycles currently available. Without a manually operated clutch to manipulate, both will likely charm new riders or re-entry riders with their terrific ease of use. They also feature similar riding positions and decently sized storage bins where you’d normally find fuel tanks.

To complicate matters a little, we decided to see if BMW’s C600 Sport could compete in this class. We really enjoyed our time with the C600’s more luxurious brother, the C650GT, during our Uber Scooter Shootout, so it seemed the sportier maxi scooter might be able to hang with its non-scooter rivals. We wanted to see if the gap between big-bore scooters and motorcycles was insurmountable.

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Because these bikes are mostly directed at less experienced riders, we decided to bring a re-entry rider into the testing mix. Joe Magro is a rider who has spent a few years off of motorcycles and is interested in getting back on two wheels. So, we asked him to dust off his motorcycle riding endorsement, put on some borrowed riding gear, and join us in riding these bikes on urban streets, rural highways and interstates.

No Shift, No Worries

To be honest, only the CVT-equipped bikes are shift-free. The Mana and the C600 Sport both use belt-driven CVTs, which means there are no gearing changes but rather variable ratio changes. These are accomplished by varying the diameter of the cone-shaped drive and driven pulleys to alter the drive ratio. Conversely, the NC700X has a physical gearbox with actual cogs inside of it, so changing gears instantly alters the ratios in six fixed spacings that are familiar to anyone who’s ridden on or in a vehicle with a manual gearbox. The DCT (Dual Clutch Transmission) hands off the next gear to the other and also feeds in a clutch automatically when accelerating from a stop.

2014 Honda NC700X Action Front

The NC700X with re-entry rider Joe Magro enjoying the canyon roads north of Los Angeles.

Once you’ve started the engines and set the drive mode (on the Mana and NC700X), getting all three bikes underway is as simple as rolling on the throttle and allowing the electronics to handle all the particulars. How quickly the bikes launch is in direct proportion to how hard we cranked on the throttle. All three bikes left the line confidently whether in cautious newbie or hooligan modes. Our experience of the bikes’ relative power tracks directly with their differing displacements.

When moving with traffic in an urban environment, the CVTs in the Aprilia and BMW exhibited the same basic feel, as their belt-driven trannies selected the proper ratio for the given speed. From there, the BMW, with no modes to alter performance, behaved in predictably scooter-like fashion to throttle inputs. The Aprilia, on the other hand, had two quite different characters, depending on which drive mode was selected.

2014 Aprilia Mana CVT

The only visible sign (other than the missing clutch lever) of the Mana’s CVT. Miss this but notice the shift lever, and the Aprilia could be mistaken for a motorcycle with a manual transmission.

Being performance-focused folks, we naturally gravitated to the Mana’s Sport mode and were surprised by the results. Said our Features Editor Troy Siahaan, “With the biggest engine here, I expected it to be the power king of the bunch. It was, but the penalty you pay (at least in Sport mode) is excessive buzzing that starts at the pegs and works its way up your legs. It’s bizarre.”

The Mana’s designers tuned the CVT to keep the engine’s rpms in the meat of the powerband for more immediate acceleration – which was on tap at a twist. However, cruising around town at a neutral throttle, the effect is that the engine feels like it is going 70 mph, while the bike is only at 35 mph. Switching to Touring mode eliminated the vibration, but the result was, as Troy put it, ”a neutering effect on the engine.” So, he opted to use Sport mode around town, while I elected to enjoy the smoother ride offered in Touring mode.

The choice of power modes also affected the NC700X, in a similar though slightly different way. Placing the Honda in Drive softened the power delivered by the 670cc liquid-cooled parallel-Twin, making it quite tame around town. It’s hard to explain the disconnect felt when looking at the instruments to discover that you’re in sixth gear at 40 mph. Since Honda has positioned the NC as a fuel-efficient motorcycle (a fact borne out by its 59.7 mpg), this choice makes sense. Switching to Sport mode does get the transmission to hold a lower gear longer, but it never allows the rpm to climb to the point of excessive vibration.

“I appreciate the fact the engine feels the most like a motorcycle,” Siahaan notes. “With actual gears instead of a CVT, that mechanical connection just feels more pure, even if it is all just in my head.”

2014 Aprilia Mana Action Front

The Mana’s Sport mode kept the rpm high for optimal power delivery, but excessive vibration may make some riders opt for Touring mode in situations outside of corner carving.

While something can be said about the familiarity of a mechanical gearbox, the same feeling of familiarity is true of the BMW C600 Sport’s power delivery. Riding it was essentially the same as on the C650GT that won our scooter shootout. Despite the name, the C600’s engine is the exact same 647cc Twin as in the GT. Additionally, BMW feels that “we don’t need no stinkin’ riding modes,” leaving power delivery to a simple, what you twist is what you get, approach to the throttle. This is a longwinded way of saying the C600 delivers power exactly like you would expect from a scooter, a fact that wasn’t overlooked by reentry rider Magro who called it ”the best vehicle in the city.” He also summed up his feelings about the Sport with “this is by FAR the best scooter I have ridden.”

Backroad Boogie

As the riding environment changed, so did our perceptions of the bikes. While still present, the vibration in the Mana was less of an issue when the road narrowed and undulated. Here, instant throttle response and predictable engine braking is more noticeable than the nuisance of buzzing feet. Also, switching the Aprilia to Manual mode gave the rider complete control of engine speed. Manual shifting via either the handlebar mounted buttons or the traditional shift lever allows the 839cc 90° V-Twin engine to show off the displacement advantage it has. However, we’d be negligent if we didn’t note that Aprilia has the shifting paddles backwards with upshifts handled by pressing forward with your thumb and downshift with index finger. Although the Mana had seven “gears,” shifting it was more seamless than a transmission with fixed gear sets. Since the virtual gears were still achieved by the CVT changing its ratios, the upshifts and downshifts were supernaturally smooth – even smoother than the Honda’s DCT.

Honda NC700X Left Switchgear

The upshift button on the NC700X is on the front of the grip for use by the index finger, our preferred arrangement.

The NC700X’s ability to temporarily override the automatic mode was a best-of-both-worlds situation, leaving gear management to the ECU while allowing the rider to make final choice if necessary. The Honda garnered compliments from all riders about its full manual mode, with our returning rider stating, “When shifting with the paddles, it was MUCH more fun to ride and I didn’t need to worry about what gear I was in when slowing down or if I had to suddenly stop.”

Siahaan’s experience had him imagining what the DCT holds for the future of motorcycling: “Full manual mode is obviously the most fun in the twisty stuff, banging upshifts with a tap of my index finger feels cool to me. Almost futuristic. I like using my foot to change gears and all, but the DCT will shift faster than my foot ever can, and more consistently, too. Plus, as DCT technology evolves and gets more refined, those shift times will continue to drop. Hmm, imagine the next CBR1000RR with a DCT so advanced it can bang upshifts faster than any human, without a single false neutral, and pop downshifts just as quickly, with perfect rev matching every time.”

Middleweight Multi-Tool Shootout: 2012 Honda NC700X Vs. Kawasaki Versys – Video

Getting back to the current state of DCT, the 700X has one annoying issue that rears its head on downshifting near redline. Namely, it won’t until the revs have dropped a ways down the tachometer. Surmises Siahaan, “When braking hard for a corner, you have to wait a moment before thumbing the downshift button takes any effect. Because the NC700’s rev ceiling is so low, this must be a safety measure to prevent excessive overrun.”

For our less-experienced and, therefore, less aggressive rider, Magro stated, ”Out of the three, the NC was the best ride for me in the twisty roads.”

2014 Honda NC700X Action Left

In the mountains, the BMW’s single power mode made engine braking a lesser resource for controlling speed. This was one of the places where the full-sized bikes simply outclassed the scooter. On the highway, however, the BMW’s engine shined. Said Siahaan, “I’m impressed with the engine and CVT combo. It seems refined in this particular application, and I routinely saw myself looking down and seeing 80-plus mph on the freeway.” The other two competitors handled freeway droning just as capably, but the Mana was much less busy in Touring mode. In fact, Magro gave the Mana his nod for interstate riding.

Lean on Me

Handling is another place where the dividing line between full-sized motorcycles and scooters is quite pronounced. This is not a fault of the BMW, which handles wonderfully for a scooter, but is more a consequence of the design parameters that separate scooters from motorcycles. The C600 Sport is long, carrying its weight quite low with the rider in an upright, feet-forward riding position. Although the Beemer’s 15-inch wheels are remarkably stable at elevated speeds (even approaching triple digits), they don’t offer the same planted feel of the 17-inch wheels on the others.

“The C600 Sport offers considerable ground clearance,” said Siahaan, “but not as much confidence to truly rail. Against its scooter counterparts it shines. Against actual motorcycles, not so much.”

Magro concurred, “It’s the next best riding experience to a motorcycle, but it’s still a scooter.”

When it comes to working your way through your favorite section of twisting tarmac, the Aprilia and the Honda are well matched, with neither doing anything wrong but each having slightly different strengths. The NC700X was easier to initiate turn-in thanks to its slightly wider bar offering the rider increased leverage and a narrower rear tire. Some of the Mana’s slower turn-in could, however, be attributed to the fact that it has more rotational mass in the front wheel thanks to its dual disc brakes. So, the result is slightly more effort being required to initiate turns or make side-to-side transitions.

No Shift Motorcycle Shootout Group Action

While all three bikes are plushly suspended, they still work well when the pavement begins to undulate.

Since the bikes’ suspensions are set up for utility in more urban- and freeway-oriented environments that reward plushness, we were pleasantly surprised when the Aprilia and Honda proved to be able backroad companions. The Mana gets around quite amiably while exhibiting a bit of top heaviness and the aforementioned steering effort.

The Honda, with its lower price point, performs better than might be expected. As Siahaan noted, “It held up quite well and provided firm and positive feedback.” The Honda doesn’t feel like a bargain bike at all. Still, the suspension lets the chassis move around a bit when pushed hard. Our reentry rider – who is closer to the target audience than either Siahaan or myself – felt the NC offered the “best overall experience in all riding situations.” People with more aggressive tendencies might want to upgrade the NC’s suspenders or take a look at the slightly more sporting Aprilia.

When it comes to brakes, all three bikes utilize ABS. The BMW’s are operated by levers on the grips, delivering decent feel. The NC700X uses Honda’s combined brakes that applies one of the front caliper’s pistons when the rear brake is applied, which addresses less-experienced riders’ tendency to overuse the rear brake. The Honda’s stopping ability was good, though it did require a bit of effort from the rider. The Mana’s four-piston radial calipers squeeze two 320mm discs for increased power and feel, giving the Aprilia the nod in the speed-attenuation department.

The Human Element

When considering rider accommodations of this trio, you probably won’t be surprised to learn the C600 Sport offers the best weather protection. With its sit-down-inside-the-bike riding position placing the pilot almost completely behind the fairing and having the tallest, widest windshield, the BMW coddles the rider even further with the $605 factory option heated grips and seat. Unfortunately, the windshield’s height is only manually adjustable over three positions which limits the rider’s ability to fine tune helmet level wind turbulence. The seat is wide but tall, and the foot room is slightly less than the C650 GT that inspired us to include the BMW in this shootout.

2014 Aprilia Mana and Honda NC700X

The difference in the wind protection offered by the Mana and the NC700X are apparent when the bikes are viewed together.

The Aprilia follows next with a half-fairing that delivers a modest level of wind protection for the rider while directing noise-creating turbulence away from the helmet of riders over 5’10”. The tank shape also offers a bit of wind protection. The rider triangle has the helmsman in a mostly upright position with an easy reach to the grips. The pegs, though slightly higher than the Honda’s, are well placed for the Mana’s utilitarian role.

The NC700X offers the least wind protection of the bunch. Riders who have long freeway commutes will be better served by an accessory or aftermarket windshield. “Overall, the ergos are rather comfy,” noted Siahaan, “There was plenty of legroom for my stubby sticks, I sat rather upright with a comfortable reach to the bars.” The wideness of the bar was popular with our riders, too.

All three of the bikes offered ample storage. The Aprilia and the Honda utilized the location formerly known as the gas tank to swallow a reasonable amount of gear thanks to their mass centralizing under seat fuel cells. The Mana’s storage compartment wins bonus points for its electric lock, compartment light and 12V power port. While some full-face helmets will fit, many will not. The Honda comes next with a similar, though slightly smaller volume and no electric amenities. The storage is quite functional, though.

The Beemer’s storage is the biggest of the bunch. However, at maximum capacity, the bike can’t be ridden. The designers included a clever expandable base to the compartment that creates extra room for an XL helmet when parked – a feature that proved remarkably usable. While the space in the LED-lit, underseat storage is lessened when on the road, the shape of the space allows riders to carry longer objects that won’t fit in the other bikes.

All three of our contestants have distinctive looks. The Mana, with its Italian heritage, wins in the sex appeal department. Its style fits its European origin – and price. The NC700X looks better in three dimensions than it does in photos, and it is one of the few bikes that have been through my garage in recent years that my wife has gone out of her way to tell me that she thought was quite attractive. The Honda’s fit and finish are surprisingly nice for a bargain-priced motorcycle. The BMW’s styling is sporty and adds to the scooter’s perceived value. The titanium color of our 2013 tester is not offered in the functionally equivalent 2014 model.

The Envelope, Please

Third Place: BMW C600 Sport

2014 BMW C600 Sport Action Left

This should come as no surprise. After being so impressed with the C600’s sibling, we erred by including the Sport in this grouping. We all felt, as Siahaan stated, “While the C600 is a fine scooter, it’s still no motorcycle.” While the fit and finish are typical of BMW and the styling is top notch, the C600 falls short in every category but rider comfort and storage capacity. With its $9,590 base price ($10,195 as tested) being only $1000 less than the most expensive bike here, the BMW comes up last on our scorecard, garnering a 80.36% total.

Second Place: Aprilia Mana 850 GT ABS

2014 Aprilia Mana Action Left

The Mana exudes that elusive quality of Italian sexiness that attracts the eye and quickens the pulse. Magro’s statement that “the design and appearance of the bike is the best out of the group” was echoed in all the riders’ notes. However, the irksome vibration in Sport mode and the backwards paddle-shifting buttons didn’t help the Aprilia’s cause. While the Aprilia actually scored better than the Honda in five categories, its $11,199 price ($2400 more than the Honda) dug a hole in the scorecard that it could not claw its way out of. So, the Mana winds up with a score of 83.42% for a solid second place.

First Place: Honda NC700X DCT ABS

2014 Honda NC700X Action Left

Honda managed to finesse the delicate balance between price, performance and perceived value to create a surprisingly balanced and usable motorcycle in the NC700X. All the testers pointed out how the NC’s paint and use of finish textures belied its bargain price. While there is nothing functionally wrong with CVT power delivery, Magro summed up our feelings about the DCT by saying, “Even when the NC shifted automatically, it felt like a real motorcycle moving through the gears.” Added Siahaan, “Overall, it’s hard to go wrong with the NC700X. It’s a remarkable package for a new or returning rider more interested in practicality than outright performance. And it comes in at a great price point to boot.”

The best way to consider a tool’s success is to look at the task it was designed to perform. In this area, the NC700X shines. The engine and transmission offer functional and cool technology combined with non-intimidating power delivery that lowers the learning curve for new or returning riders – a fact that was not missed by our reentry test rider. That Honda was able to do this without making the bike feel dumbed down – and then deliver it for $8,799 – is a testament to Big Red’s design acumen.

We’ll let Magro have the last word on the NC700X DCT, since he represents one of the targeted customers: “Out of the three bikes, I would and have strongly considered purchasing an NC700 for myself, especially at this price point.”

No Shift Shootout Scorecard

Category Aprilia Mana BMW C600 Sport Honda NC700X DCT
Engine 82.50% 82.50% 84.17%
Transmission/Clutch 85.00% 85.00% 91.67%
Handling 86.67% 76.67% 85.83%
Brakes 85.00% 83.33% 80.83%
Suspension 86.67% 75.00% 76.67%
Technologies 80.00% 78.33% 88.33%
Instruments 80.00% 85.00% 90.00%
Ergonomics/Comfort 85.00% 83.33% 87.50%
Luggage/Storage 85.00% 88.33% 85.00%
Appearance 90.00% 88.33% 87.50%
Cool Factor 90.00% 76.67% 85.83%
Grin Factor 80.83% 75.00% 85.83%
Overall Score 84.55% 81.54% 85.64%

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  • Jeremy

    I have been riding for a while but first I have heard about automatic motorcycles. I would appreciate a cross link article on CVT vs. double clutch. Also, while the comparison is nice, the article/video doesn’t explain the basics of how a automatic motorcycle works/the differences between it and a standard motorcycle. Can you explain what the rider does at stops? Do they have to hold the brake lever or is their still a natural? Since these bikes target the new rider, are the brake’s linked so no more separate rear foot brake? Is ABS standard on these? Without a clutch, do they have traction control standard to control the torque on technical terrain? How is the engine breaking and more specifically the panic stopping compared to a manual? Thoughts on the handlebar shifting… why wouldn’t they keep the foot shifter as the method of manually changing gears instead of paddles? For seasoned riders, will they accept these bikes in their personal fleets or would transitioning back and forth be too annoying? Is this the future for motorcycles?

    • DickRuble

      Is this the future for motorcycles? — It’s been the future of motorcycles since the 70’s at least.

      Here’s the Hondamatic 76-78

      • Jeremy

        More to my point, not that this is the first time anyone has offered an automatic transmission on a motorcycle… but are we going to see this offered as a standard feature on more and more bikes in the opinion of the author or is this still just a fad? We are seeing more manual stick transmissions in sport cars go to paddle shifting which is quicker than manual shifting but you lose the ability to drag the clutch to limit torque. We of course already have quick shifters so is there really a need to go to a complete automatic transmission? My hand bars are already crowded with Turn Signals, Horn, Hi/Lo Lights, Emergency, Heated Grips, ABS, Traction Control, Clutch Lever, Break Lever, Throttle… I don’t think I want any more junk like a paddle shifter added. Again, I am really surprised they didn’t just use the foot shifter as the means to manually change gears to override the automatic transmission.

        • DickRuble

          The days of motorcycles as you and I know them are numbered. Pollution issues will kill combustion engine ones. Electric bikes won’t really need gears, at least not as the internal combustion motorcycles have. Electric bikes are the future yet their numbers are going to be very small. This is mostly because of the clueless approach to car driving that authorities encourage (cell phones, people who cannot merge into traffic, who cannot look before switching lanes or backing out of their driveway, running lights, texting and drifting out of lane, etc…). It is more and more dangerous to ride. Far more now than ten years ago and it will be exponentially more dangerous as time goes by.

        • Keith Lamb

          I’m somewhat interested in the NC700 and waiting till I can find a used one at the right price, but I’ll agree that the shifter should still be at the foot instead of thumb and finger.

        • Kevin

          I have a riding friend that lost his left leg below the knee to an IED in Iraq. As a result of the quality of modern prosthesis he can ride his NC700 quite well. He could not, however, use a foot shifter to utilize the manual mode.
          The FJR 1300 AE offered both bar mounted and foot operated switches, and was perhaps a better arrangement for appealing to wider variety of individual needs/preferences.
          In any case the availability of motorcycles like these serve to enhance the quality of lives of not only people like Dave, but those of us that benefit from the pleasures of knowing and/or riding with them.

      • Keith Lamb

        I agree with your point, but I want to add that the problem with the Hondamatics (and Suzukimatics) wasn’t that they were automatic, it was that the transmission was inefficient and way too heavy on the early ones, by the early 80s they’d sorted some of that out but they already had a bad reputation.

        • Kevin Duke

          Exactly, the old Hondamatic used a torque converter, like a car trans, and the source of the term slushbox. The DCT is directly driven like a traditional moto trans.

    • Rick Vera

      Here’s some “cross link article” action for ya:
      I think your shifter location may be more a question for the OEMs and your seasoned rider question a matter of such personal preference it’s hardly worth mentioning. I don’t know of anyone who has both a manual and automatic car though that are annoyed going back and forth between the two.

      With that out of the way, I do think your engine braking question is legitimate and would enjoy hearing a response about that.

  • Vrooom

    Well then, that means none of these would ever be for me then. The only one I’ve ridden is the CTX, of which my dealer had a used one that was returned a few weeks after it was purchased. He let/asked me to take it for a 20 mile spin, which I happily agreed. Can’t say I like the automatic transmission, but the issue was the power, which was worse than anemic. I’d guess this thing put out maybe 50 hp (trying to be optimistic), softened by an automatic transmission. I have no idea about whether it was setup properly (though I like the dealer), but this thing would be called slow compared to virtually any streetbike. An SV650 would lap this thing in a couple of laps at a track day. I’d hope the Aprilia had more get up and go, was hoping for a dyno chart.

    • Evans Brasfield

      CVTs and dynos don’t get along too well – the whole constant variation of the drive ratio makes it impossible to track the power output. Though I suppose it is possible with the bike in Manual mode.


    I wonder how Honda’s new concept, the Vultus would have fared. It would seem the Vultus might have come on top while retaining more of the features that were liked on the BMW c600.

  • john burns

    Yeah, I didn’t like the Mana in Sport mode at all, it just increases the rpm.

    I also used the foot lever way more than the paddles when in Manual, and loved it. The Honda doesn’t have a foot shifter at all. Also when you’re in Touring (full auto), you can tap down on the shifter and the bike will downshift as if you’re in Manual Sport. Very cool.
    MO ran one on the dyno a year or two ago and so did I last month; they both made right around 54 hp and 39 ft-lb torque. Honda NC NON-DCT makes about 47 hp and 44 ft-lb.

    Nice test!!

    • Evans Brasfield

      Thanks for the updated information, John!

  • octodad

    purchased a CTX700n ABS/DCT last year. Have owned/ possessed numerous motorcycles from 250 two stroke to 1200 panhead with a couple of Limey scoots and CB750’s thrown in. this new one is my favorite ride. enjoy the shift paddles and handling characteristics, no hand or leg buzzing. plenty of acceleration and top end (do not need to go 130+ anymore). feels economical in D mode, sporty in S mode, and awesome in Manual shift using paddles. Kudos to Honda for leading the way, they ought to offer DCT on the Shadow model. there is a reason Big Red has lead in market share.

  • pdad13

    While I’m sure that automatic transmissions will appeal to some people who are on the fence about powered two-wheelers, or motorcycles, more specifically, I don’t think it’s a coming revolution.

    I’m sure the manufacturers hope it is, but I have my doubts.

    There are two other problems that scare the hell out of most people more than a clutch and gear shifter:

    1. Motorcycles fall over (and they’re heavy)
    2. Motorcycles offer no crash protection

    Automatic transmissions can’t solve either of those issues.

    • DickRuble

      Agreed. Shifting gears is a minor challenge in motorcycle riding. If that’s what’s holding someone back from riding, they should probably not consider motorcycles at all, automatic or not.

      • Gary

        This is not aimed at poster – just using location to chime in: There is “no rush to buy them” BECAUSE they’re scooters. Long time motorcycle riders that now want convenience, or disabled riders that find it too difficult to shift now, doesn’t mean that they want a scooter.

        The “rush to buy them” will happen, when they make regular motorcycles, also offered in automatic.

        You may notice that they don’t purposely make automatic cars ugly, and call them (motor transpos or something). Quit hating – if it’s not for you don’t buy; just don’t look down on those who do buy them.

    • Keith Lamb

      I’d say that the lack of weather protection is just as big an issue.

  • I’d be concerned about where the DCT controls are placed. The downshift button is directly below the button used for turn indicators — the space where the horn button is located on Honda’s manual bikes. If you’ve ever ridden a Honda wearing winter gloves you’ve almost certainly done the embarrassing thing of honking to let everyone know you’ve finished your turn — accidentally pressing the horn when trying to cancel the signals.

    So, I would be concerned that I might accidentally hit the downshift when intending to cancel signals.

    Meanwhile, the horn is now located above the turn signal. It seems like a very crowded space to have to navigate with your left thumb.

  • Truthbot

    I guess this is for people too stupid to shift. It makes motorcycling more accessible, but I’m afraid of the riders bikes like these will bring to the streets.

    • Keith Lamb

      I would think bikes that don’t require a clutch would appeal even to those of us that can ride a manual bike but hate doing so in traffic.

    • popeyoni

      Shifting has nothing to do with intelligence. It has to do with hand-eye coordination. Some morons can shift, some geniuses can’t.

    • Gary

      Stupid poster:

      Long time motorcycle riders that now want convenience, or disabled riders that find it too difficult to shift now, doesn’t mean that they want a scooter – has nothing to do about being stupid!

      Quit hating – if it’s not for you don’t buy; just don’t look down on those who do buy them – riding since ’82, never had an accident.

  • Kenneth

    Granted, the Honda won this comparison, but would be even more desirable to riders with more experience if its improved NC750X – with greater displacement and taller gearing – were offered in the U.S. (along with it’s offering of ABS without requiring the added DCT feature).

  • torrmelling

    really? two motorcycles and a SCOOTER? not much of a comparison given the vfr1200dct (not sure what other manufacturers have to offer in the way of automatics).

    • Keith Lamb

      There really aren’t that many non scooter options in automatic.

      • Gary

        Here’s a few choices:

        1) Honda NC 700 X or S (wish the 750 was available for the US market)
        2) Honda CTX 700.
        3 Aprilia Mana 850.

  • CrashFroelich

    Some people can’t properly ride a bicycle. I know this is true because I’m married to one of them. Perhaps a CVT scoot would be right up her alley.
    Sorry about snorting aloud like that. Anyway, what I mean to say is that shifting is a large part of the moto experience because it is another thing that requires some talent and concentration. I’m not warm to the concept of two-wheelers that are as easy to drive as a car and invite the same distractions. I quit riding with groups many years ago because of twits who didn’t have the ability to concentrate on the task at hand. Yanno, the two-hundred-mile-per-year dog paddlers on overpriced noisemakers. I will endeavor to be tolerant. However, if someone on one of these toys pulls up next to me at a stoplight and does the “cool pavement point,” I’ll kick over the damned thing.

    • Kevin Duke

      “I’m not warm to the concept of two-wheelers that are as easy to drive as a car”
      Good, because they don’t exist. 🙂

      • CrashFroelich

        That’s a matter of opinion, don’t you think? Gas, feet up, brake, feet down is getting awfully close.

    • Gary

      Why do some people hate new things so much? I’ll bet you’re still using a roto phone!

      • CrashFroelich

        What hate? Why do you resort to hyperbolics without making the least point whatsoever? I don’t even hate people who are immune to irony. Not that you’d notice.

        • Gary

          No point?

          Point is: DCT’s are really just starting to be introduced: You say it’ all about the shifting, blah, blah, blah…

          Shifting is older, DCT’s are newer; so I compares an older roto phone to the newer cell phones.

          That’s my point – just because you like using older technology, you don’t need tl look down at those that want to use newer technology.

          You don’t have to use it, we’re not looking down on you – we deserve the same respect – if you don’t agree, get a real life.

          • CrashFroelich

            Where do you get this looking down crap?: What are you, twelve? Quit projecting your inadequacies on me, kid. I didn’t explicitly state anything to attribute to me. Why don’t you learn to read with understanding and get a clue to sarcastic humor before you make an ass out of yourself?

          • Gary

            No inadequacies here; maybe on your part – looking down; maybe when you saythings like: “shifting is a large part of the moto experience because it is another thing that requires some talent and concentration. I’m not warm to the concept of two-wheelers that are as easy to drive as a car and invite the same distractions. I quit riding with groups many years ago because of twits who didn’t have the ability to concentrate on the task at hand. Yanno, the two-hundred-mile-per-year dog paddlers on overpriced noisemakers. I will endeavor to be tolerant. However, if someone on one of these toys pulls up next to me at a stoplight and does the “cool pavement point,” I’ll kick over the damned thing.” – that sounds like you’re looking down on someone.

            Anyway, no kid here, been riding since ’84 with no accidents yet; and I am considering a dct (operate it manual or automatic).

            Post what you will, I have no more need to respond to someone that’s so closed minded.

  • FRE000

    I’d be concerned about control during very low speed maneuvers. With a manual clutch, one can ride the clutch at low speeds to get very accurate control of the power. Without accurate control of power at very low speeds, dealing with parking lots (car parks for you Brits) would be very difficult and could even result in a dropped bike.

    • T Lippy

      U are correct. I dropped my BMW C650GT twice – until I got the feel. Now I wouldn’t trade my BMW scoot for another stinking Harley.

  • Chuck Brown

    I have been riding since 1967, I am sick of shifting!! If someone wants to learn to ride without shifting, go for it. I don’t see shifting as a necessary part of riding at all. Do you have to learn to use “carrier pigeons” before you can use a cell phone? Of course not. REAL men and women ride what ever they want. No one can dictate what the experience is or should be!!

    • Keith Lamb

      Personally I prefer shifting when I’m on a joyride on the weekend, but if I’m commuting I hate it. I don’t see why people would look down on someone that prefers to ride an automatic.

    • WGB1944

      Guzzi had 2 speed tranny back in 76. 1000 Convert. You could put it in low or drive and go all day. I had a 1977, rode like a Caddy, rode it to Calif pulling someone else’s trailer in 1980, rode on up to Prineville,Or. and back to Ohio.

  • philip bailey

    One thing about Honda’s is they are made for short people. I had to add 2″ to my 1993 Nighthawk 750 seat to fit a 6′ tall rider. The bike in this article is even worse. If you are a flexible and/or short person, they are a blast. I own a BMW F650 ST, but I really have grown to love my Nighthawk 750. There is no way that I can go with any less knee angle for any distance. However, it is definitely nice to own a Honda, big number one with parts galore and self adjusting valves 🙂

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  • Ярослав Алексеенко

    Motorcycle with an automatic gear shift or variator is not motorcycle, it is a scooter.

    • Gary

      and I suppose that cars that are automatic aren’t cars – stupid biased posting: Scooters now have both brake levers on the handlebars, and have a step through design; that’s the classification.

      • Ярослав Алексеенко

        Using motorcycles with automatic gearbox is a “moving ass” process, not riding. We are losing all of romantics. It’s like a bike without pedals. I didn’t mean they are not needed. Each product has own customers. And if you have one of this, don’t insult others opinion.

        (Sorry for my English. I’m Ukrainian)

        • Chris James

          Well tbf DCT bikes aren’t scooters because you don’t step in and neither do you sit on one like one. So it is a motorcycle in its own right.

      • John Ferguson

        Actually, not all: I OWNED a scooter with a pedal for the rear brake.

  • Realist555

    My left hand is disabled and can’t pull a clutch more than a few times before I cramp up and get flared up and numb. The Honda would be my choice because I still want to feel the gears shift. and sometimes manually choose the gears. I can’t do that now on my Piaggio BV250ie with CVT although I still love riding it around. It’s great around town and fun on open roads too. I just want more power.

  • Realist555

    I ride a Piaggio BV250ie Tourer, and I love automatic tranny, I would like a larger motor though, thanks for the review. I would go with the Honda myself.