When last we visited this class three years ago, it wasn’t exactly this class but it was close. Triumph’s new Bonnevilles hadn’t been born yet, so a Moto Guzzi Griso 8V completed the threesome, along with the then-new Honda CB1100 and the original BMW R nineT.

Retro Roadster Comparo

In that comparo, the BMW narrowly carried the day over the Guzzi (79.2 to 78.7%), with the Honda bringing up the rear with a 72.2% Scorecard rating. The BMW would go on to become our Best Standard of 2014. The Griso is still as greasy good as ever, but we threw it over this time for the new Triumph Bonneville T120 Black, which slots nicely into the $12k nostalgia-bikes-for-old guys-which-actually-perform category.

In fact, the Bonnie really completes the old-guy trifecta. These three are modern interpretations of what the ’60s were all about and long before that, really. BMW built its first Boxer (which was its first motorcycle) in 1923. Triumph built its first Speed Twin, the Bonneville’s granddad, in 1938. And Honda’s first CB750 of 1969 laid down the pattern for so many more thousands of Japanese bikes to come.

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Shiny Objects

Naturally, we rode the pee out of these three on some of our favorite earth curvature because that’s just what we do (and all three work surprisingly well if you’re easily surprised), but most of us can agree that these three are aesthetic more than mechanical exercises in spite of how well they perform, maybe even self-congratulatory homages to the factories that built them in honor of the fact they’re still around lo these many years later – even if Triumph took a few years off.

I’ve ridden the original versions of all three of these, and the new bikes are orders of magnitude better than the oldies in every way. Since most of the people who were around in the ’60s have aged out of riding, these bikes’ styling must walk a fine line between nostalgia and modern. Which one appeals to you (if any), however, is entirely subjective. Just like always.

I’m actually killing time now waiting for Evans and Duke to fill out the Scorecard, but I think the three of us picked three different bikes as our favorite. Oh! The results are in…

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The T120 Black is just like the other T120 Bonnevilles – including its $11,800 bottom line – except for its murdered-out (lack of) paint, a theme which extends right through its dual peashooter exhaust pipes and wheels. (Actually there are two Blacks, a shiny Jet Black and a furry Matt Graphite like this one.)

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Tacking EX onto CB1100 gets you a beautifully painted new seamless fuel tank, new wire wheels, brushed aluminum sidecovers and trim bits, a new Dual Bending Valve Showa fork, an airbox/intake retuned for a bit more low-rpm power, shorter, slimmer dual mufflers… and a $12,199 price tag. It’s the only player with real steel fenders, front and rear.

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The R nineT Pure is BMW’s attempt to bring the price of the original nineT down a tad, by substituting a steel gas tank for an alloy one, etc., and it works: $11,995. But then the price on our tester goes right back up with the addition of those $2496 wire-spoke wheels and $250 heated grips: $14,742. You have to squint a little to see the original 1923 R32 Boxer in there, but it’s there.

BMW R nineT Pure

If you’re looking for the fastest, sportiest bike here, the BMW is it. Its 94 horsepower is down a bit from the original R nineT of 2014 (We think due to Euro 4 regs –Ed.), but far ahead of the other two bikes here, and the BMW’s 72 pound-feet of torque is right up there with the Triumph. Stir that in with the lightest weight (by far) here of 490 pounds all gassed up, and away you go. Impromptu, non-scientific top-gear roll-ons against the other two bikes here have the BMW leaping easily ahead.

Our complaint about the original nineT’s too-soft fork has been addressed, and you can flog this one down your favorite winding road just as hard as your little Bavarian heart desires. Sometimes knowing what your heart desires is the hard part. Ridden alongside the CB and the Bonneville, the BMW seems a bit aggressive and pushy, like you’re on a relaxing fishing trip with a guy who won’t get off the phone. You’re scaring the fish! Some like the Boxer’s droning exhaust note (which you can really hear on this bike when you open the throttle), others don’t. A fair amount of popping on decel reinforces its more rambunctious nature.

Evans says, “I don’t care what Burns says about flatulence, I love the Beemer’s exhaust note, particularly when echoing off a canyon wall as I let its torque curve muscle me out of a corner.”

E. Brasfield: "The BMW is the sportiest of the trio, and the riding position reflects that. While the upper body is mostly upright, the pegs will fold longer-legged riders up the most. The payoff is the best cornering clearance. Whether you’re leaned over or not, the Pure offers the sharpest, most responsive steering from its wide handlebar, making it a surprisingly agile backroad performer. Having 17-inch wheels front and rear is at least partially responsible for this sportiness."

E. Brasfield: “The BMW is the sportiest of the trio, and the riding position reflects that. While the upper body is mostly upright, the pegs will fold longer-legged riders up the most. The payoff is the best cornering clearance. Whether you’re leaned over or not, the Pure offers the sharpest, most responsive steering from its wide handlebar, making it a surprisingly agile backroad performer. Having 17-inch wheels front and rear is at least partially responsible for this sportiness.”

The short final-drive gearing that gives the nineT such immediate lunge also means you’ll be shifting gears more, and while it’s a swift bike for sure, it’s not the easiest one to be smooth upon, thanks to its shaft drive contributing more mass to the drivetrain. You’ll need one finger of clutch at each upshift to keep it smooth, although it has the heaviest clutch pull by far.

It’ll leave the Triumph and Honda behind, but you’ll be working harder to do it – in a class that’s more about having a leisurely ride in the country than it is about getting there first. Or is it? Possibly this is just us trying to put the Pure into a box it doesn’t belong in: For sure, it’s the sportier outlier of this threesome.

“The BMW is simply a sportier motorcycle than the others in this group,” Duke pipes in. “It’s far more playful and rambunctious, and it feels like it’s in an adjunct class rather than fitting in seamlessly. Seamless fuel tank, though.”

Speaking of a leisurely ride in the country, that short gearing results in quite a bit of engine vibration creeping into the controls and tank if leisurely pushes much past 75 mph or so. Keeping firm control of all that power pulsating through the Paralever rear end requires shock springs on the stiffish side. And the not-so-plush, thin seat joins forces with the lowest handlebar here to let you not forget you’re riding a German motorcycle, not the Orient Express, when the road is long and straight.

Brasfield again: “When performing sporting duties on back roads, the firmness of the BMW’s suspension is appreciated, though it could use a little more damping up front. However, get onto a freeway or anywhere that the bike will contact bumps at speed, and the shock’s harshness rears its ugly head. A premium shock swap would probably take care of this issue.”

Purity carries over into the instrumentation, which lacks a tachometer.

Purity carries over into the instrumentation, which lacks a tachometer.

Add it all up, and the bike that beat the CB and Guzzi Griso in our last Retro Roadster comparo, finishes last this time on the MO Scorecard – albeit by a much slimmer margin – in spite of cleaning up in the Objective portion of the card thanks to its having the most power and least weight. Could this be the result of the MO test crew being three years older? Orrrr, maybe it’s just me, JB: Duke’s Subjective scores have the BMW on top, 0.5 points ahead of the second-place bike; E. Brasfield also rates it #1, a scant 0.25 point ahead of #2. My Scorecard has it, ahem, 9.25 points behind the winner. Have I become the Clarence Thomas of MO?

BMW R nineT Pure
+ Highs

  • Most powerful and lightest
  • Avant-garde yet ancient
  • Raw Boxer experience
– Sighs

  • Short gearing = more vibes
  • Hard-edged seat and rear shock
  • Sometimes you feel like a jerk

Triumph Bonneville T120 Black

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So smitten were we by Triumph’s entire line of upgraded “Classics” last year, we went ahead and named the whole dang Bonneville series our coveted Motorcycle of the Year for 2016 – a group of bikes that includes the Street Twin, Thruxton, T100, and this bike, the T120 Bonneville, which is packing the High Torque version of the new 1200cc, 270-degree liquid-cooled parallel-Twin.

Seventy horsepower at 5500 rpm doesn’t make the T120 a firebreather (and it’s lights out only 700 rpm later), but 71.4 lb-ft of torque at just 3400 rpm does define this motorcycle. The BMW makes almost the same torque, 71.8 rear-wheel Dynojet lb-ft, but not until 5000 rpm. On the Bonneville, you just release the light-levered slip-assist clutch and off you burbily, effortlessly blat. Six speeds in the gearbox are really more than you need, but they’re all so willing to trade places, why not? The Triumph nearly swept the Engine and Transmission/Clutch categories, winning both by wide margins.

Once rolling, you can just barely feel the big Twin smoothly rolling over 3500 rpm at 80 mph in sixth gear, a cog that’s good for anything from 35 mph to whatever the Triumph can manage on top. Well over the ton. The good ship Bonnie remains nice and smooth at 90, though by then the optional flyscreen would be good to have.

The numerals are a little small, but all the info is there. Also Rain and Road modes, TC and ABS.

The numerals are a little small, but all the info is there. Also Rain and Road modes, TC and ABS.

The Bonneville did not win the Suspension category, but it finished a close second behind the Honda. The progressively wound springs on its rear shocks, and the Kayaba fork up front, endow it with probably the best ride in the bunch, when you’re riding around town. Attacking canyon twisties, okay, not so much – but I don’t recall anybody falling much off the pace when they were aboard the T120 on the way up to Crystal Lake. It did fall down in the Handling category, mostly because of steering responses some feel are much slower than the other bikes.

“There’s so much to like and enjoy with the Bonneville, but it’s surprisingly slow to steer, which makes it feel clumsy,” Duke whinges.

Brasfield: “The good news is that the Triumph has the best suspension of the group, providing a super comfy ride on the freeway, soaking up all little road imperfections. The bad news is that the Bonnie’s narrow handlebar couples with the 18-inch front wheel to make the bike steer like a truck. I’m pretty sure that a wider bar would help alleviate this issue, making it an easy fix.”

Anyway, if you just looked at the thing, you’d never expect the Bonnie to negotiate Highway 39 as rapidly as it does. Once through the initial soft part of travel, the thing bucks up, and you can feel the stiff new frame at work, keeping those classic Pirelli Phantom-look tires pressed to the pavement.

Shorter peg feelers might not be a bad thing, and dialing up more rear preload for sporty roads.

Shorter peg feelers might not be a bad thing, and dialing up more rear preload for sporty roads.

Though she’s no lightweight, all that torque at only 3400 rpm, and super-smooth throttle response from its ride-by-wire system, lets the Triumph pull back up to whatever it’s behind at corner exits. All in all, for being a “classic,” it’s also a really fun thing to flog.

Who’s going to keep this thing clean anyway?

Who’s going to keep this thing clean anyway?

In every functional category, the Triumph is right up there. Where it lost points was in the Quality/Fit and Finish, Cool Factor and Grin Factor categories (the last two of which are totally Subjective). We’ve spent a lot of pixels before going on about how nicely put together all the new Triumphs are, and it’s true, but next to the competition here the Bonnie looks a tad outclassed. It’s the only bike here with an unsightly gas tank seam. Maybe one of the shinier colors, with chrome instead of matt black, would’ve gotten us more worked up? Three years ago, we criticized the CB1100 for being bland. Strange how things have a way of changing.

Triumph Bonneville T120 Black
+ Highs

  • Looks old, works futuristically
  • Super easy to ride with all that torque
  • Superbly comfortable
– Sighs

  • A bit lacking in the excitement department
  • How long have we been married?
  • Does wanting one that’s not Black make us racist?

Winning: Honda CB1100EX

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Which brings us to the surprise winner of this little comparo, by less than a percentage point over the Triumph. When Honda premiered this EX version last EICMA, we were a little underwhelmed and feeling deprived at not getting the RS version in the US. Seeing the EX in the flesh, and riding it, really dispelled that feeling. Even Duke and Brasfield, who both ranked the BMW #1 in aggregate Subjective points, ranked the Honda #1 in Quality/ Fit and Finish by a mile. It also won Cool Factor and tied the BMW for Grin Factor. In this class, how you feel about motorcycles like these is way more important than the last nth of backroad performance.

There’s a big gear-position indicator right there in the middle and a smaller clock, and aside from that it could be 1969. Except for the polished upper clamp and the preload adjusters in the new fork. And the ABS.

There’s a big gear-position indicator right there in the middle and a smaller clock, and aside from that it could be 1969. Except for the polished upper clamp and the preload adjusters in the new fork. And the ABS.

It’s like Honda took our lukewarm welcome of the original CB1100 personally, went back to the drawing board, and said “take this bitches!” I can’t remember the first time I whined about big ugly seams on gas tanks, but this is the first time Honda’s ever bothered to remove it, and the result transforms the look of the whole bike – especially given the tank’s impeccable sparkly red paint. Well, that and the new brushed aluminum pieces, including the chainguard and sidecovers, the alloy rims. This one is tons nicer than the original CB1100 everywhere you look, not to mention the original CB750.

Evans postulates: “The Honda is the best looking bike here, giving a truly authentic feel to the era from which the CB1100 hails. The seat is just about perfect, proving that with this category bike, you can have a stylish seat that offers the appropriate level of padding. The Triumph comes in second while the BMW’s seat is a distant third.”

The beauty is more than skin deep. The new Showa Dual Bending Valve fork retains the comfy couchness of the original 1100 when you’re just tooling around, while making the bike way more controllable and reassuring come peg-feeler dragging time.

Really it looks like Honda erring on the side of caution again. It looks like there’s plenty of lean available when the feelers start squawking.

Really it looks like Honda erring on the side of caution again. It looks like there’s plenty of lean available when the feelers start squawking.

With the centerstand, the CB’s even heavier than before, at 556 pounds, and the weight alone restricts it from being as quick as the Beemer up Highway 39. But the Honda doesn’t mind at all putting out the effort to try and keep up: Getting its maximum effort takes way less sweat than riding the BMW, probably because it’s not just heavier but also less powerful. With less physics going on, it’s way easier to swoop the Honda smoothly from corner to corner like a giant bird of prey.

“Despite the rather large weight number, the CB1100 rolls over into corners with ease and reassuring linearity,” Duke reassures. “Its narrow tires help it feel dozens of pounds lighter than it is.”

The engine’s non-aggressive power delivery is well complemented by brakes with soft initial bite but plenty of power, which makes blending brakes and throttle super smooth. The suspenders could use a bit more rebound damping, but then you’d lose the sweet in-town ride. The word genteel almost fits, a descriptor the CB could share with the Triumph. Both are big bikes that feel really light on their feet. Tires.

For burbling around town in not quite so big a hurry, the CB makes a clean sweep of the Comfort/ Ergonomics category, finishing 3.33% ahead of the also super-comfy Triumph and fully 10% ahead of the BMW on the Scorecard. The seat’s a magic carpet, the ergos are perfectly transparent for most riders. The only thing you could complain about is a little engine buzz at higher speeds, but Evans didn’t, so how bad could it be?

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Burbling wise, there is a bit more noise coming out of the shiny duals, which are shorter and skinnier than before, and which work with shortened intake tracts to give the 1140cc Four more low-rpm grunt: You can feel it, the new engine pulls harder from 2500 rpm, even if the Dynojet tells us it’s picked up just less than a single lb-ft of torque. Somehow, that turns into nearly 5 more horsepower; now we’re at 88, but still at a barely-breaking-a-sweat 7500 rpm. So yeah, it’s not a fast motorcycle, but it’s by no means a slow one – and its powerband is marked by amazingly clean curves on the chart, with zero peaks and valleys. Which is just how the CB feels from the saddle. That makes it an easy bike to ride smoooothly, whether trying to keep up with the BMW in the curves or taking your SO to the beach.

The airbox and intake are modified, along with the shorter narrower mufflers, for a smidge more low-rpm grunt, five more horses, and a little more growl.

The airbox and intake are modified, along with the shorter narrower mufflers, for a smidge more low-rpm grunt, five more horses, and a little more growl.

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The mighty MO Scorecard does not lie, and what the heck, it’s nice to see the bottom rail on top this time. It’s not just nice, it’s kind of amazing. I don’t remember a bike getting a few upgrades, and suddenly swooping from the bottom of the pile to win out over two others as good as the new Bonneville and the nineT. The key is, these are really nice upgrades. Suddenly I have a new respect for the codgers who babble on about the original CB750. But don’t encourage them.

Honda CB1100EX
+ Highs

  • Nothing but polished steel, brushed alloy and deep paint
  • Helmet lock, bungee hooks, grab rails, centerstand
  • Fuel tank reminiscent of a vintage Norton
– Sighs

  • Some people always want more power
  • Too nice to get dirty
  • Lots to love at 556 lbs.

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  • Gabriel Owens

    Z900 FTW!!

  • Gabriel Owens

    That honda torque curve is a thing of beauty.

    • john burns

      in fact that engine’s so smooth and undramatic I think it makes the bike FEEL slower than it is. 88 hp isn’t that far off the BMW’s 93 is it? and 66 torques not so far off either…

      • DickRuble

        .. and some extra 70-80 lbs.. but top speed isn’t everything.

        • Born to Ride

          More like drag strip times. I’d venture to say the top speeds are probably pretty close to identical if Honda hasn’t installed a governor.

          • Ian Ridge

            honda has a japan market speed limiter at 180 km/h – about 7400rpm in 4th and pulling hard

          • Born to Ride

            That can’t be right, that’s only like 105-108mph. I thought the infamous Japan speed limited was 300kph or 189mph.

      • Gabriel Owens

        I think so too. They wont probably wont sell so just wait till 2019 and buy a heavily discounted 17 model.

        Then git that bad boy home and start strippin some weight off of it. I see no reason for that front fender, bin it.

  • Old MOron

    Congrats to the CB, the worthy winner.

    “Clarence Thomas of MO,” har har har!

    “The only thing you could complain about is a little engine buzz at higher speeds, but Evans didn’t, so how bad could it be?” I love these zingers. Great MOronic content, as usual.

  • Old MOron

    Okay, I’ve watched the video now. I need one of those shirts!
    Nice work, MOrons. Special kudos to James.

  • Billy Jack

    Anemic engine, too much weight, and styling that says “I’m old. Real old…”
    The Honda is the winner?? That’s the pubic hair on my can of Coke.

  • Born to Ride

    I really really like that Honda. It is so beautiful in the pictures. Ugh, I just want the RS wheels and swing arm. The rest can stay exactly as it is.

    • Old MOron

      Was it you who predicted the Honda would finish in last place?

      • Born to Ride

        It was. I am pleasantly surprised.

  • Starmag

    The RnineT doesn’t look remotely retro, plus no thanks on the shaft drive’s questionable reliablity, unsprung weight, and drive-line lash. The Bonnie has a lot of it’s charm ruined by flat paint. Plus it redlines at a Harley-like 6000rpm. The Honda is an easy choice for me also among these three especially when you consider reliability and dealers. I wasn’t one of the people complaining about tank seams and I thought the previous tank had a more pleasing shape. I’d rather have the previous model’s mags and tubeless tires as well. Maybe Honda should offer factory cruise and heated grips for it.

    • Born to Ride

      I love everything about the Honda except for the move to tube tires. I know it would ruin the whole retro vibe of the bike, but I’d find a way to have the EX model with 17″ forged wheels in same sizes as an SV650. I think it’d steer quicker than the RS with its 180 rear tire and give you a much broader selection of tires.

      • Starmag

        If you want an RS that bad maybe you should consider a used ZRX. A truly mint one is no more than $5k.

        For my part, I wished Honda would have just copied their own ’75 CB400F with it’s slab-sided tank and waterfall 4 into 1, or a ’69 CB750 like Whitehouse.
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        But Honda stubbornly refuses to copy itself dispite the successes of doing so by Harley, Triumph. Ducati, etc.

        • DickRuble
          • Starmag

            Who doesn’t? Another example of a beautiful bike Honda could have copied from it’s own past. The engine is almost identical looking to the modern version. I’m biased though, I have a ’82 900F.

          • Born to Ride

            Yeah pretty much. I might even prefer it with inverted forks, a monoshock, and an aluminum swing arm. I want the classic lines, exposed engine, perfectly metered fuel mapping, and do-it-all ergos- but with the modern benefits of 10000 mile radial tires with more edge grip than I could possibly need, and tuneable ride quality from the springy bits.

            Back before I bought my Sprint ST, the Honda 919 was a big contender for my money. For commuting, the full fairing of the ST made way more sense, but if the 919 looked like the CB11 I would have bought one for sure. You know emotions and such.

          • Mad4TheCrest

            10,000 mile radials with lots of edge grip? Let me know so I can buy a set!

          • Born to Ride

            Ha! How ironic that you would ask on today of all days. Currently replacing a PR4 Rear tire that I got a nail in at 8900 miles. Happen to also have pictures of this tire from first scrub in till now because I was interested in the rate of which the profile of the tire changes over the course of its life given mixed use of commuting and flogging. Enjoy.
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            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7b8b45568ea0feba47c2dd4d7aea23c5e2ce528d2581b8c428f7dda2c199d9a6.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/290567436a6141ced189a52b5d468712bfa01d0293f821e7e1d3c2cd34a4bd46.jpg

          • Mad4TheCrest

            Hey, I put PR4s on my ZRX1200R about 2k miles ago in a desperate measure to get more than 2500 good miles out of a rear tire, but I hoped for 4-5K. I never expected I might get 10k! You’ve made my day (and made me feel better about how much those tires cost too)

          • Born to Ride

            If I’m really heavy handed or I make weekly trips to Mt. Palomar, I have seen as little as 8000 miles out of a rear on my multistrada. Got 10k out of the same tire like clockwork on my Sprint. Though she saw a lot less abuse than what I heap on the Multi, you know, chasing down literbikes and such.

        • Born to Ride

          The ZRX is a carbie no? I don’t do carbs. Especially when there are 4 of them.

          • Starmag

            Ah, carbaphobia. After 25k mi.s on my ’04 ZRX I’ve only done one thing to them, check the synch, they were still perfect. Perfect fueling and throttle response as well as zero driveline lash. Which is not something one can say about many fuel-injected bikes. If one let’s their bike sit for really long periods they can gum up but so can fuel injection and it’s harder to remedy. Besides, one hasn’t lived until you’ve conquered the challenge of rebuilding a bank of carbs, it’s not as hard as it’s made out to be and it builds the all-important “character”. At least that’s what Kevin Cameron says.

          • Born to Ride

            I had a truck with a carb and 3 dirt bikes with carbs. No thank you, tuning carbs is no fun and does not impart character. Also I do 20k miles a year on my primary commuter. Although that is going to change very shortly.

          • BDan75

            Yup, main thing is not to let them get gummed up w/ ethanol crap. I made that mistake once. Disassembling the carbs was the easy part. Getting them out of the bike w/ the stock airbox was a bi**h. Which is why I decided to put on pod filters and re-jet at same time. Now they’re easy to remove.

            Of course, having made that change, I’ve not had to touch them in the five years since.

            As for the wheels…unless I missed it, the new CB has the same size as the old. I’m sure there are plenty of owners of the original mag wheels who’d love to trade + cash. I’m not one of them, though–no tubes for me, thanks.

          • Mad4TheCrest

            Just adding my voice to the pro-carb camp: my ’01 ZRX is running fine after 16 years (but only 42k miles) with no carb rebuilds needed; just synching.

    • Ian Ridge

      you can get factory heated grips installed – i did

    • madskills

      So the Beemer is 60 lbs lighter, no oiling of a chain or stretch, has a 3 year, 36,000 warranty. It’s retro enough for me.

  • Brian Cordell

    With a trip to Hepco Becker and a small Comet fairing, it wouldn’t be hard to turn the CB1100 into a light tourer. Anyone else notice the range this bike gives you? A good chance this will replace my 2002 Honda Interceptor. I am getting older.

  • ChiefPockets

    The wire-spoke wheels are a huge ding to the objective score of the Beemer. I know the tester came equipped with them, and that the competition also came equipped with them, but it seems unfair to include their price when they’re an optional accessory that isn’t mentioned as having an affect on the subjective scores…

  • Tim Sawatzky

    I would take the Honda or Triumph and be very happy with either. But since this category of motorcycles is so subjective, what about having a “public opinion” score while you are out on your tests? Surely you run into other motorcyclists along your way, have a couple set questions on what they think and feel about the bikes. I know they will not ride them, but so much of this category is visual presence. That way it’s not just your own subjective feeling, but other riders as well. Just a thought. Great article though.

  • asg21

    “the new bikes are orders of magnitude better than the oldies in every way”

    Why not say “a million times better!” – it’s even sillier.

    • john burns

      ok, they’re a million times better.

  • Ian Ridge

    I bought my 2016 CB1100SE over the winter after looking at both the T120 black and the BMW – in canada the Honda was the cheapest and very well built – it was also my wifes favourite by far. Love every minute I spend on my bike – i don’t miss my VFR800 very much anymore. Found with all these they feel like the gearing is too tall – went minus 1 on the front sprocket and it is a lot more sprightly – haven’t been left by a BMW anywhere since i made that change. Added the factory heated grips when i bought it (canada), factory top box from UK for space and passenger comfort.

  • elgar

    Nice review, grazie!!
    All three of these beauties have a similar performance envelope and they all pull a different ‘heart string’…choose the one that looks best to you and enjoy the ride. The Honda seems to speak to me with that irresistible, feminine whisper, ‘Take me for a ride’…

  • RMP52

    All great bikes, personally I’d go for the Triumph, love the classic looks. Just don’t understand the flat black look, in red this bike is a knockout.