2017 Victory Octane

Editor Score: 86.0%
Engine 18.5/20
Suspension/Handling 12.5/15
Transmission/Clutch 8.75/10
Brakes 8.0/10
Instruments/Controls4.0/5
Ergonomics/Comfort 7.5/10
Appearance/Quality 9.0/10
Desirability 9.0/10
Value 8.75/10
Overall Score86/100

When we posted our article about Victory’s unveiling of the 2017 Octane, the vitriol in the comments section was surprising even by internet standards. Of the 50 comments posted as of the writing of this review, roughly 30 were negative, many saying that the commenter felt mislead by Victory’s references to the Project 156 Pikes Peak racer as an inspiration during the Octane’s development. Perhaps this is an example of people hearing what they deeply wish for instead of what was actually being said.

2017 Victory Octane Unveiling

With the negative initial MOronic reception of the Octane in mind, I arrived at Daytona Beach this week hoping to learn if the readers had a point. Is the Octane really just a warmed over Indian Scout? Does it really matter? And what exactly does the Octane reveal about Victory’s new slogan “Modern American Muscle,” as the first all new model arriving in 2016 as part of model year 2017?

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Well, it appears that Victory’s PR department had a similar set of goals. So, let’s don our gear and put the Octane through its paces.

The Octane is hugely fun at the dragstrip.

The Octane is hugely fun at the dragstrip.

A Victory Scout?

Okay, this might get a little bumpy, but here goes: Yes, there are similarities between the Scout and the Octane. They were both designed and built by different divisions of the same parent company using shared development resources. Both bikes utilize the same basic engine which was then modified and tuned to deliver the power characteristics that should appeal to each model’s target market.

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Both utilize the same cast aluminum frame technology – though not the same frame – which would explain the similar look. The chassis geometry is similar but not exactly the same with the Octane measuring 29.0° rake and 5.1 in. trail compared to the Indian’s 29.0° rake and 4.7 in. trail. The wheelbases of the Octane and Scout (62.1 in. versus 61.5 in.) are similar, as are the seat heights, measuring 25.9 in. vs. 25.3 in., respectively. Yes, there are similarities, as both bikes are based on the same platform.

Yes, there is more than just a passing resemblance to the Scout. Still, the Octane is a notably different motorcycle.

Yes, there is more than just a passing resemblance to the Scout. Still, the Octane is a notably different motorcycle.

In a conversation with Alex Hultgren, Director of Marketing of Victory Motorcycles, basing multiple models around a common platform is quite common on the car side of the market, an area in which he has a deep background. However, the key to successfully creating multiple offerings on a single platform is differentiating how the machinery interacts with the operator.

“When platforming is done well, you get two distinctive products that have some commonality,” Hultgren explains. “What you want to differentiate is the things that people care about. So, it’s the appearance of the bike and the feel. And that’s exactly what we’ve done.”

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In the cruiser world, this is fairly common where the naked, the leather-bagged, and the hard-bagged versions share not just the same base name but the same engine and chassis – only each are tweaked to fit the functional requirements of a specific market niche. What makes the Octane/Scout relationship unusual is that they are sold by two different motorcycle companies yet share a common parent company in Polaris.

“The key to a good platform is strategy,” says Alex Hultgren, Director of Marketing of Victory Motorcycles, “and when you’ve got a strong basis, you can go in a lot of different directions.” The engine design shared by the Octane and Scout surely qualifies as a strong basis.

“The key to a good platform is strategy,” says Alex Hultgren, Director of Marketing of Victory Motorcycles, “and when you’ve got a strong basis, you can go in a lot of different directions.” The engine design shared by the Octane and Scout surely qualifies as a strong basis.

When I discussed this issue with Brandon Kraemer, Victory Product Manager, he posited that the issue is less of the common DNA in the Octane and Scout than the similarities among the motorcycles in the class, noting that fully 65% of the Octane’s parts were unique to it, leaving only 35% of them shared with the Scout. As Kraemer put it, “Because they are mid-sized cruisers, they are definitely in the same category, they are always going to have similar specs and similar silhouettes.”

This resonated with me because, as I’d thought about the comment thread brouhaha over the model unveiling, I kept coming back to how the lines of the Octane reminded me more of the Kawasaki Vulcan S than the Scout. Both the Octane and the Vulcan have 18-in. front wheels and 17-in. rears. The visual emphasis of the bikes is a distinct angle sloping from the front to the rear. Even the tank lines are similar, though one is more curved and the other more angular. The solo saddles have a distinct bolster at the rear to help the rider, who is in a feet-forward riding position, stay in place under acceleration. So, perhaps Kraemer has a point.

Still, if you’re having to explain this much, doesn’t that mean you’ve already lost? Well, maybe it’s time to stop overthinking this issue and simply move on to the specifics of the bike this review is presumably addressing.

A Bike For Troublemakers

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When the time came to create the engine for the Octane, Victory had to look no further than the Project 156 bike. “From our end, Pikes Peak was about the motor,” said Kraemer. “That’s all it was.” So, the cylinders gained 2mm (to 101.0mm) while retaining the Scout’s 73.6mm stroke. Consequently, the displacement increased to 1179cc – a 46cc bump. Although Victory was mum on all the internal engine changes, Kraemer did run off a laundry list of parts that are distinct from the Scout mill, saying, “The pistons, cylinders, heads, all the covers on the motors, camshafts – those are all specific to Octane, giving you that unique character.”

Victory didn’t provide graphs of the Octane’s power output, so I’ll resort to my butt dynamometer. Where the Scout was somewhat docile at lower rpm – until the rider pulled its tail – the Octane responds immediately off the line. Throttle response in the lower rev range borders on abrupt, and (since you should know by now that I obsess over smooth power delivery) : I was surprised to learn that the characteristic is claimed to be a feature, not a bug. “We really wanted a little more acceleration, a kind of jerkiness in first gear,” explained Kraemer, “So, when you do a burnout or you’re going slow and you want to spin the rear tire, you can easily do it.”

Our first day on the Octane made hooligans out of some journalists who’d never taken the opportunity to smell their own burnt rubber.

Our first day on the Octane made hooligans out of some journalists who’d never taken the opportunity to smell their own burnt rubber.

Normally, this kind of information comes off as merely hyperbole – because the press event doesn’t have a way to properly test these claims. (See my 2016 Ducati XDiavel S First Ride Review for an attempted clandestine test of launch control.) Victory, on the other hand, gave the international motorcycle media a full day playing at Orlando Speed World where three arenas were set up: quarter-mile dragstrip, an Octane-khana handling course, and stunting school. The things we go through for our readers…

Victory stunt rider, Tony Carbajal, demonstrates how easy it is to access the Octane’s oil filter.

Victory stunt rider, Tony Carbajal, demonstrates how easy it is to access the Octane’s oil filter.

When we rolled our Octanes into the center of the banked oval race track, Victory Stunt Team riders Tony Carbajal and Joe Dryden promised us that, if we wanted, we’d be drifting Octanes by the end of our session. Beginning with static burnouts and progressing to rolling ones, they helped some of the media who had never engaged in such shenanigans become comfortable.

Next came hard launches, which were simply getting the Octane rolling by cranking the throttle WFO, dumping the clutch, and hanging on. The whoops and hollers from the first-time hooligans filled the air, along with the tire smoke. When the time came, Dryden instructed us how to drift a hard launch – only to temper it with the warning that, if things got too sideways, the preferred action would be to keep the throttle open and ride the slide to the ground since chopping the throttle would likely lead to seeing how the Octane looks from above.

Now, remember, if things go sideways, it’s a lot less painful to ride it to the ground than to attend flight school by chopping the throttle.

Now, remember, if things go sideways, it’s a lot less painful to ride it to the ground than to attend flight school by chopping the throttle.

The experience proved Victory’s point. The Octane has plenty of stonk in the bottom end to make a drooling, toothy-grinned show-off out of even the most mild-mannered journalists. By the time the 40-minute session was over, the air smelled of burnt rubber and all of the Octanes had flat spots in the center of their rear tire profiles.

The performance in this realm was made possible by the changes in the final-drive ratio compared to the Scout. “We’ve got 7% shorter gearing in the final drive,” said Kraemer. ”That plus the more torque produced by the bigger engine gives you 14% more torque at the rear wheel in any gear.” Additionally, Kraemer claims that the Octane’s flat torque curve cranks out over 65 lb-ft. of torque from 2,500 to 8,000 rpm, which conspires with the gearing to deliver “that throw-your-head-back acceleration when you drop the clutch.”

The race to get the left foot to the shifter before the revs reach the limiter.

The race to get the left foot to the shifter before the revs reach the limiter.

The dragracing stage also emphasized the Octane’s aggressiveness in the bottom end. A good launch required just the right amount of clutch feathering or the rear wheel would spin. Then it was just riding the power curve. Good times on the Octane were a challenge because the feet-forward riding position required that the tip of the left boot be threaded between the peg and the shifter while holding the throttle open and managing the clutch release in first gear. A good launch shortened the time to get your toe forward for the shift. During the practice runs, I was able to clock a 12.45 second quarter mile with a speed of 107.7 mph – earning me second place among the American journalists in the practice sessions.

In the final competition run, I got my best launch of the day, proceeded to catch my toe on the left peg, and decided to take a nap in the rev-limiter resulting in my slowest run of the day. A clerical error credited me with the fastest American journalist run and allowed me to bask in a moment’s false glory at that night’s dinner before fessing up to my peers.

Aside from being a kick in the pants, the drag runs gave a great impression of the acceleration the Octane is capable of achieving: best E.T. of the event was a 12.0-second run. While the clutch pull is a bit stiff, it is easy to modulate for a quick launch. The power builds with a noticeable bump peaking near the engine’s 8,400 rpm redline. The exhaust note on the stock pipe is exciting until it is ultimately drowned out by the 100-mph wind. The bikes outfitted with Victory’s Stage 1 slip-ons sound even better. Shifting, when I was able to get my foot in position, was slick and precise with nary a missed gear change that can reveal transmission sloppiness during the hurried dragracing shifts.

The Sea Of Cones

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When considering gymkhana, most riders wouldn’t think that a cruiser – with its long wheelbase and feet-forward riding position – would be the best mount. Still, a tight, technical cone course is a great place to demonstrate low-speed handling. Using the same course design that will be featured in the upcoming CHiPs movie, the lane width was the length of your average broomstick and contorted around the parking lot. One particular U-turn, which was essentially two side-by-side lanes with a closed-off end, gave me fits, making me question my riding ability. The rest of the course highlighted the Octane’s maneuverability, acceleration, and braking.

With a claimed dry weight of 528 lbs., the Octane feels light between the knees, making it easy to toss around on the course. Although Victory’s claimed lean angle is 32° (1° more than the Scout), touching the pegs down in this environment was quite easy, though they did drag cleanly. The challenge of gymkhana is feathering the clutch while leaned over and adjusting speed with the rear brake. The two-piston front caliper and the 298mm disc offered plenty of power with a firm squeeze, but I’d likely prefer a dual-disc setup to allow finer control. Strangely, ABS is not an option though it is required on EU models. At the end, I was certain that the Octane would be an excellent mount in the urban environment that many will likely prowl.

It’s About The Open Road

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While the day of hooliganism was a blast, the real test of any streetbike is how it behaves in public. The riding position is clamshell performance cruiser, and if you don’t like it, you won’t like the Octane. It’s as simple as that. Around town in bumper-to-bumper traffic, the riding position is absolutely fine. Maneuvering between cars with cat-like agility that one might not expect from an 18-in. front wheel, the only real flies in the Octane ointment were the hefty clutch pull and low-speed throttle abruptness. However, the abruptness isn’t oppressive, and muscles get stronger with regular use, so no real points are lost here.

Although Florida isn’t known for lots of corners, our ride to the interior west of Daytona provided enough information about the Octane’s cornering manners to earn some praise. At speeds that would have earned our cadre of motojournalists certificates of appreciation, possibly with complimentary lodging included, the Octane handled sweeping corners better than most cruisers. The chassis stiffness was noticeable since the ride lacked any of the hinge-in-the-middle sensation produced by less-stout frames. At higher speeds, the 18-inch front wheel slowed steering, requiring more effort than a bike with 16-inch wheels, like, say, the Scout, but the Octane was dead stable and always went where told to go.

With only the dreaded 3-inches of travel in the rear, what can I say? The ride was more comfortable than a Sportster’s, but that’s damning with faint praise. As with all short-travel shock setups like this, moderate bumps are absorbed, but big hits become big hits – straight up the spine. A session with the (same length) accessory piggyback shocks revealed a firmer ride that kept cornering forces from using up as much travel, but they were still hamstrung by the length of their stroke. Such is the nature of the beloved cruiser low seat height.

Despite its diminutive size, the cowl helps take wind pressure off the rider’s chest up until about 80 mph.

Despite its diminutive size, the cowl helps take wind pressure off the rider’s chest up until about 80 mph.

The Octane’s riding position will be familiar to almost any cruiser rider, and it distinguishes itself from the Scout by having pegs mounted to a revised frame that allows an additional degree of lean angle. The reach to the grips is reasonable, particularly for fun and games, and the sporty cowl directs a good amount of the wind blast away from the rider. At 80 mph and above, the upper body gets a workout, requiring the rider to straighten his/her arms and let the skeletal system take the load. Although the Octane wasn’t designed to be a tourer, with the exception of the seat, day-long rides are more than possible.

About the seat… It is firm with a pronounced curve rising up in the rear. While the shape makes staying in the saddle under hard acceleration much easier, it also limits wiggle room on longer stints. After about 45 minutes of ride time, all of the journalists could be seen trying to find more comfortable positions for their aching glutes.

Breaking The Lights

As I cross the finish line of my too-brief time with the Octane, I’m left with a positive first impression. When considering the $10,499 MSRP, the Octane offers a compelling package of trouble-making performance wrapped in a modern-looking cruiser form that looks – to someone who has had the pleasure of testing Victorys since their inception – like a performance cruiser only Victory could have built.

While I can understand riders’ desire to see this powerplant in a more standard or sporting chassis, their disappointment at the Octane being a muscle cruiser instead of a streetfighter (or whatever) doesn’t change the fact that this is a well-built, fun, and somewhat corrupting motorcycle.

Rather than complaining that the Octane looks similar to the Scout, consider those similarities as signs of a good gene pool.

Rather than complaining that the Octane looks similar to the Scout, consider those similarities as signs of a good gene pool.

To the riders who like this feet-forward style of sportiness, give the Octane a serious look. The performance is good, and the price is nice. With Matte Super Steel Grey as the only offered color, that decision will be easy. However, if you’re heartbroken and more than a little bit angry about the form that the Octane took, you should take heart in the subtext of Hultgren’s closing words to me:

“This is the first step in a journey we are on. We are moving forward.” Kraemer was a bit more forthright but still just as nonspecific: “Now, we’re going to start looking at other classes. The future is wide open, and we’ve got a great new powertrain here. So, we’ll see where it goes.”

2017 Victory Octane
+ Highs

  • Instant acceleration off the line
  • Competent handling
  • Slick shifting
– Sighs

  • Harsh rear suspension
  • A seat unsuitable for extended rides
  • Not Project 156
2017 Victory Octane Specifications
Engine Type Liquid-cooled 60-degree V-Twin; 4V/cyl, DOHC
Engine Capacity 1179 cc
Bore x Stroke 101.0 x 73.6mm
Horsepower 104hp @ 8000 rpm (claimed)
Torque 76 lb-ft @ 6000 rpm
Compression ratio 10.8 : 1
Fuel System EFI, 60mm throttle-body
Clutch Wet, multi-plate
Transmission 6-speed constant-mesh
Final Drive Belt
Front Suspension 41mm damper-tube forks with dual-rate springs; 4.7-in. travel
Rear Suspension Twin shocks with dual-rate springs, adjustable for preload; 3.0-in. travel
Front Brake 298mm disc; 2-piston single-action caliper
Rear Brake 298mm disc, single-piston caliper
Front Tire 130/70-18 63H
Rear Tire 160/70-17 76H
Laden Seat Height 25.9 in. (Laden? Really, Victory?)
Rake/Trail 29.0°/5.1 in.
Wheelbase 62.1 in.
Dry Weight (Claimed) 528 lb. (dry)
Fuel Capacity 3.4 gal
Colors Black
MSRP $10,499.00

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  • Ducati Kid

    Evans,

    A stated before – this VICTORY offering could have been much more.

    I don’t blame VICTORY – engineers – but POLARIS Marketing.

  • TheSeaward

    Cool. I’ll keep sending my money to Europe and Japan.

  • Sayyed Bashir

    People are going to keep expecting Victory to disappoint them, unless it surprises them with something radically new. Until then they will be looking to Italy, UK, Austria, Germany and Japan for moto excitement. Victory is focused on taking market share away from Harley, which is not easy, considering a 113 year tradition.

  • DickRuble

    ‘ you can go in a lot of different directions” — and in this case; the same direction.

  • http://www.themotorcycleobsession.com/ Chris Cope

    What I’d like to see very soon, and what I feel would be possible and not unprecedented for Victory, would be an Octane S. Similar to the situation with the Hammer and Hammer S, the Octane S would be effectively the same bike but it would have two front discs –– the upgraded shocks and tachometer would come standard as well as some other farkle to make the rider feel special (perhaps a two-into-one exhaust). To me, that is just enough that I would seriously consider buying this bike.

    Meanwhile, I think there is real potential to use this engine in a genuine touring format.

    • Douglas

      Yep, a 2-into-1 that tucks in close, long-travel shocks (to raise seat hgt a couple in), mid controls, little bit flatter seat and deep-six the “cowl” and offer a useful detachable windscreen….and a usable detachable FLAT rack for the back fender. That might make me peddle the Super Glide & look hard at this one.

    • TheMarvelous1310 .

      I really wouldn’t mind if they actually made this the next Hammer S, fat tire and all. Especially if they could bribe Pirelli for whatever sorcery they did for the Diavel tires.

  • Mark Vizcarra

    What did I just read? This is my take. The octance does this and that. blah blah blah blah, it also can do a few other things. blah blah blah. In conclusion, this bike is a good value and blah blah blah. I liked the Springfield article better than this. Not sure why that article was a better read than this one.

    • Evans Brasfield

      Mark,

      Blah blah blah thanks blah blah for letting blah me blah blah blah how you blah blah feel.

      • Ratchet

        Evans, I liked the article…and your impact obviously extends beyond MO. I have noticed you’re doing cameos now…

        • Evans Brasfield

          Wait until I bring out my own line of sandwich grills. My plan for world domination will be complete!

    • TheMarvelous1310 .

      So we’re supposed to care why? Two sets of blah blah blah don’t make one compelling thought.

  • sgray44444

    I look forward to seeing what they have in store for the future. I hope the trend doesn’t indicate stagnant thinking and they really do deliver something in a standard sporting package. Heck, they could keep the same styling. Just reconfigure the rider interface into a proper streetfighter and they would really have something. How difficult could that really be?

  • Jeff LaLone

    Man, it’s such bullshit that a company known for making cruisers made a cruiser.

    I genuinely don’t understand the air of disappointment around Victory lately.

    • Gil Anderson

      Just reading this last round comments, I still see the frustration. Are American bikes always destined to be cruisers? How boring! To me, they all look the same And sound the same. To loud, poor handling, and heavy. If cruiser riders really want to be different, they should ride bikes that don’t look like every other cruiser on the street. I rode a Ducati Diavel last week, and now I want one. Yep, it’s a cruiser, but I’ll always own another bike that isn’t one. The Ducati handles more like a sport bike. All we want an American sportbike, and no competent manufacturer seems willing to compete with the Triumphs, Ducatis, and BMWs of the world.

  • Jonathan D. Cardin

    Looks like a surprisingly good bike! Add soft saddle-bags (in tan/brown) and you’ve got a respectable standard!

  • JoMeyer

    Opinions about the bike are polarised, no pun intended – and in the face of that a well written article. Instead of just a normal ride impression, you took the time to connect this to previously expressed opinions. Not my kind of bike, but I’m sure those who buy it will have fun.

  • Tim Sawatzky

    To be fair this looks like a great muscle cruiser. I like the styling and having ridden the Scout, I do love the engine, and this engine looks even better. The issue to me is self inflicted by Victory with the Project 156. The first thing I thought when I got off the Scout was, “this engine would be perfect as a Thruxton/RnineT competitor. And a standard body would fit the original scout as well. So when the Project 156 was shown we all thought, there it is. I understand that there is probably more money to be made in this bike as a cruiser, but I for one was hoping for something different. It’s still a great bike, and I hope Victory takes some of this feedback as incentive to give us a standard version with more rear suspension as a “sporty” alternative with this engine.

    • denchung

      I think what we have to hope is that the Octane is the evolutionary step towards the bike everyone seems to be hoping for. If/when that bike surfaces, the Octane may make a bit more sense and people can better accept it for what it is and not what they thought it should have been.

  • fzrider

    Great writing Evans. Hope your bosses realize how good you are.

  • spiff

    Not my style, but this appears to be a decent bike.

    I would like to see a bike inspired by a first gen Buell Lightning. This motor with at least 110 crank hp, but not a cost of good torque. Add decent suspension and brakes. A true sportster. Victory can have their sporty bike and not offend their core clientele. Some cruiser guys can graduate to it, and some sportbike guys can find an upright/comfortable, yet entertaining ride. I know I am not the first to say this, but now it is off my chest. If someone is looking for a sporty bike that not intimidating they should go buy a first gen Lightning. Nice ones are available for the 3k mark, and they are a piece of cake to maintain. There are faster bikes out there, but there alway will be. All this is hinging on the fact that you don’t mind the low reving engine.

  • TheMarvelous1310 .

    “From our end, Pikes Peak was about the motor,” said Kraemer. “That’s all it was.” Well, that was very poorly conveyed, Victory! While I was more disappointed when I thought it was a cramped, poorly running Street 750-sized café racer, I am still waiting for Victory to fulfill its destiny of becoming the American Triumph its name suggests.

    Still, this is a very good start. All the Octane really needs is mid controls and rear clearance to be a good standard, and that’s not going to be hard for Victory to do. The question is, will it compete well with the likes of the Griso and the R NineT?

  • https://m.youtube.com/c/motoshane513 MotoShane513

    Hopefully this is the base model of the platform and things get a little more interesting from here on out. I’m sure it’s a competent bike but I think everyone is waiting to see what more of a sport oriented bike it could become.

  • SRMark

    A quick shout-out to Victory for sponsoring the TV coverage of the Daytona 200.

    • ‘Mike Smith

      Too bad they don’t make a bike that could compete in it.