As 2017 is winding to a close, it’s time to reflect back at the year that was. We’ll be publishing several articles over the next couple of weeks that outline many of the highlights from the past year, but first is this fun look back at what we think are some of the most annoying motorcycle trends witnessed in 2017, as authored by our inimitable John Burns. We predict a lively comments section… –Ed.

10. Sales are Down

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Well, some sales are down, other manufacturers – mostly European – keep reporting record numbers. So maybe it’s just a reshuffling? And lagging sales sometimes serve as a wake-up call. Harley-Davidson has been having a rough couple of years, but maybe that was the poke it needed to reinvent its line-up like it did with its Softail line a few months ago. Also, some of H-D’s losses are Indian’s gain. Aren’t we Amuricans believers in the idea that competition makes everybody stronger? If they couldn’t kill Coke by making it taste like Pepsi, then how are they gonna kill Harley-Davidson? Lagging sales are causing the Motor Company to double down on building new models and recruiting new riders. That which does not kill Milwaukee will make it stronger.

(For today, let’s ignore the elephant in the room: “According to data from the U.S. Census Bureau, median household income has actually dropped by roughly $5,000 since 1999 to a median of $51,017 as of 2012. Pew Research pointed out that in spite of nominal wage growth of 727% between 1964 and 2014, in constant 2014 dollars (meaning when taking inflation into account) real wage growth has totaled just 7.8% over 50 years. College tuition, medical care, and even fuel costs have risen at a faster pace, thus diminishing the buying power of the middle class.”)

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9. Valentino Rossi Loses the MotoGP Championship Again

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Why don’t people stay on the pavement, why? A broken leg from an off-road riding shunt removed WLF One from MotoGP championship contention halfway through the season, handing the championship to Marc Marquez. Now nearly 39 years old, it looks like Rossi may never make it up to 10 championships, and may never break Giacomo Agostini’s record of 122 GP wins. Try to forget the disappointment, like Vale, by visiting the Dailystar for a look at seven of his dates.

8. Crumbling Roads, Natural Disasters

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It’s tough to get out and ride when your garage is underwater and/or your shit is on fire. For some reason, that seems to be happening with increasing frequency. Roads in serious disrepair all over the country have at least boosted sales of rugged vehicles like pickup trucks and adventure bikes. Not to worry, though, the $1,000,000,000,000 infrastructure plan is on its way next month according to this story.

7. Sturgis Tamed

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Courtesy Jmlevinemd.com

From a story in USA Today dated 8 August, 2017:

For many Americans, Sturgis conjures up images of an anything-goes motorcycle festival, where drugs flow, fists fly and nudity runs rampant. But the reality is that most attendees today are professionals with too much to lose if they get arrested. Surprisingly, the top three professions at Sturgis are doctors, lawyers and accountants, said city manager Daniel Ainsley.

Doing the math makes that statistic easier to understand: New Harley-Davidson or Indian motorcycles start around $20,000, although high-end models can hit $50,000, and that’s before any real customization. Then there’s the logo-wear clothing, the gas, the insurance and even the ability to take a week’s vacation.

These aren’t Easy Riders, living a carefree life on the road. These are aging Baby Boomers with kids and mortgages and nice cars. Read the headline in one local paper this week: “Has Sturgis gotten too grey?”

The most risqué thing you might see on the street is Cierra Browning’s airbrush-painted torso. Wearing fishnet stockings and a lacy thong, Browning, 21, a restaurant manager, this week stood outside the Tattoo Cellar, calling out to passersby, cajoling them into getting inked.

Her outfit consisted of an eagle with an American flag painted on her back, and another eagle, wings spread, across her bare chest, her nipples covered by stickers. Man after man stopped to take pictures with her, and she tucked $20 bills into her waistband as she scanned the crowd.

6. Complete Lack of Making Motorcycle Training Fun

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With all due respect to the brave men and women who lay their lives on the line so that others may ride, for God’s sake man, can’t we find a way to make it a little more stimulating than Rebel 250s in a parking lot? (Actually, I had a lot of fun doing that once, but only after I got to a BAC of about 0.16) What would be so wrong with a bunch of XR100s or Yamaha TT-R125s like American Supercamp or Rich Oliver or Colin Edwards train people on, trucked out to the kiddie track at a nice motocross park? Everybody would have way more fun, would learn a lot more bike control in the same amount of time, and wouldn’t be able to wait to get back out there on their own motorcycle. If Harley-Davidson can teach a whole town to ride, surely the people who produce XRs, TT-Rs, KLXs and RMs can do better. Those bikes are the true gateway drugs.

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The people in which photo appear to be having more fun? That’s right, photo B.

5. Crap Fuel Mileage and no E-bike Breakthrough in Sight

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Oh look, we’re on E again. We love our Tuonos and things, but really, some of these new bikes get such lousy fuel mileage, we didn’t even bother to measure it in last year’s Streetfighter Shootout. I remember Ducati 916s getting near the 50s back in the old days, but lots of modern literbikes are in the low 30s – worse mileage than a lot of cars. Can’t we do better? Well, you could trade for an NC700X and get 60 mpg.

And electric bikes are getting incrementally better, but we’re still waiting for the battery breakthrough (or maybe just the charging breakthrough) that will make them practical for travel as well as commuting. Maybe BMW will come up with something in the new Group Battery Cell Competence Center it just opened in Munich?

4. Lack of Automatic Transmissions, Fear of the Scooter

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After the fear of being flattened by a car, fear of learning to shift gears is the next big thing that scares many people away from learning to ride. Apart from Honda and its automatic Dual Clutch Transmission models, nobody else is lifting one engineering finger to soothe those people’s fears. Scooters, of course, are basic transportation for billions the world over, but not in the USA. It’s now officially okay to be gay, but, for some, it’s still not cool to ride a scooter. More for the rest of us, really. Two-wheeled things you just hop on and go becoming commonplace would go a long way to promoting motorcycling over here. Buy someone you love a Vespa for Christmas; why not?

No-Shift Shootout: 2014 Aprilia Mana GT Vs. BMW C600 Sport Vs. Honda NC700 DCT

3. Still no Lane Sharing in 49 of 50 Bass-ackward States

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You really can’t blame the bass-ackward states, I suppose, but it seems reasonable to blame the people who should be educating and influencing them toward the light, toward the fact that lane sharing is not only safer for the sharee, but that it eases traffic congestion, gets everyone wherever they’re going quicker, and is almost universally accepted around the world.

Whose job might that be? Mine, for one, but also, oh, gee, I dunno? Maybe the American Motorcyclist Association or possibly the Motorcycle Industry Council? Motorcycle Safety Foundation? No telling how many people in Houston, Atlanta, Miami, Phoenix, Seattle, etc. would park their F150s on nice days if they could get to work in half the time on their new DCT Honda or scooter. It might even sell a few motorcycles, easing problem #10. Right now, Washington state’s bill is mired in the legislative process, and Arizona’s is waiting to be voted down in January. Can we get the NRA to take this up if we all agree to pack heat?

2. Old Motorcyclists Dying at an Alarming Rate, Along with Everybody Else

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A report out from AAA in October says the mortality rate for riders 60 or older is more than four times the overall increase in motorcycle deaths for 2016. “Overall,” the report also states, “motorcycle deaths rose to the highest level in eight years in 2016, although some of the increase was also in line with an increase in motorcycle registrations. The number of motorcycles on the road increased to 8.6 million motorcycles in 2015 compared with 8.4 million in 2014, according to Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) data cited by the organization.”

Motorcycle fatalities rose 5.1% from 2015 to 2016, while deaths among older baby boomers increased more than 20%.

Is it just me, or are older people in general more prone to die than younger ones? Where’s our control group? Meanwhile, more riders of all ages have been dying in record numbers since many states repealed helmet laws beginning 20 years ago. Freedom!

1. Hating on Each Other

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Invite these guys over for an iced tea.

Recent political events have made us all too aware of the effectiveness of the tactics of divide and conquer. Let’s not let it happen to us motorcycle people, who all belong in the freak tent according to 94% of the population. I remember saying something disparaging about a guy’s chopper one time in the presence of Gordon Jennings. I paraphrase, but GJ said, “Anybody who’s crazy enough to sit on a single-track vehicle with an engine in it, and ride not out only into the land but also into heavy traffic, is alright with me.”

Let us quit bagging on the millennial, whose seeming lackadaisical attitude hides the kinds of worries older generations didn’t have to deal with. Bust not the chops of the Boomer, though most of our monetary problems really are his fault. Hate not upon the Harley rider, many of who were once sportbikers and could ride rings around you. But feel free to poke fun at loud pipes and lack of helmet on any motorcycle rider. In a pleasant way. When safe to do so.

Fear not the crotch rocketeer; they’re not all idiots, and in time they’ll shed the helmet Mohawk and become solid motorcycle citizens. BMW people are just like the rest of us but with more money; be nice and they might let you onto their private racetrack. The vintage crowd will always be with us; buy them a sandwich. Render unto Ducati what is Caesar’s.

Blameth not the manufacturers, who are making new bikes so fast in all price ranges we can barely “test” them all. Dealers, ahhh, well, okay, dealers are jerks. I kid. They do their best in an era when everybody wants online prices from brick and mortar stores. Feel free to try on 10 helmets then buy one online.

Rev not your engine in town unless you have to to keep it from dying. Wave at little kids and the fairer sex when appropriate, in a non-threatening or suggestive way. Follow the golden rule: Don’t be a dick. Actually it’s treat others how you’d like to be treated, with empathy and understanding no matter what weird junk they inexplicably choose to ride. They’re all motorcycles. Yes, even trikes.

  • mugwump

    Not to thrilled about that 60 year old statistic, and the trooper let me go so I’m not too sure about that me being a “dick” thing.

    • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

      thanks for that! for every bad cop story there is a good cop story(leaving aside of course the “good cop bad cop” story!)

  • Gruf Rude

    A number of my riding friends have hung up their helmets and sold their bikes in the last few years, some due to age and loss of necessary strength/skills, others from sheer fear of the texting, distracted drivers out there. Some of the Millennials have actually started having kids and the cost of babies and child care (and the aforementioned dying and orphaning those kids) has parked the bike.

    • Born to Ride

      For some people, when things get hard, the bike is the first thing to go. For others, it is the very last.

      • Sayyed Bashir

        When you get married, the bike is the first thing to go.

        • Born to Ride

          Heh, any woman who thinks she can divest me of my bikes is in for a rude awakening…

        • mugwump

          When “you” got married.

        • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

          Word!(unless it’s your only vehicle-and that doesn’t last long,usually til about the first kid)

        • Johnny Blue

          Why would you marry such a loser?

        • HazardtoMyself

          Any person who would want their spouse to give up what they love is not worth being with.

          All these guys who say wife won’t let me, what the hell is wrong with you? Half the time I think it is just an easy copout. If you she really pushes, fine then she has to give up shopping and is only allowed to have one pair of shoes. See how far that goes….

          • Sayyed Bashir

            Your wife and kids depend on you. They don’t want to see you in traction or in a casket. If you are single, you are welcome to kill yourself.

        • 12er

          Told the wife on our first date, I ride bikes and snowboard, if either is a problem have a nice day.

        • Eric

          I told my future wife on our second date that I’d never give up my bike, and I’d never try to change anything about her, either. We’ve been married for 20 years. If anyone tries to change you, they don’t really love you. You should move on, because you won’t be happy long term.

  • Old MOron

    Still no Lane Sharing in 49 of 50 Bass-ackward States
    The people of Alabama voted down Roy Moore.
    Lane sharing can’t be far away.

    • John B.

      Alabama… What???

    • Max Wellian

      Not so fast. Only 1% of prisoners approve of child molestors and they are the child molestors. Nearly 50% of Alabamians approve.
      Might be a bit more of a slog than you think.

      • Rocky Stonepebble

        Post of the year!

      • John B.

        Two kinds of people don’t last long in prison: Child molesters, and people who killed their Mama.

      • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

        in the current witch hunt climate no one is safe from accusation

        • Max Wellian

          Those wimmins ain’t lying. You can be sued for making false allegations that cause financial harm. No reason in the world a bunch of pubican, Alabamy wimmins would dis the theocrat with nothing to gain and everything to lose.
          I agree a lot of this stuff is pretty petty. Putting a hand on a grown woman’s waist during a photo or pretending to squeeze boobs over a bulletproof flak jacket for example. But a bunch of teenage girls being preyed on by a 30 something DA is beyond redeeming. The man was banned from the mall for it fer Christ’s sake.

          • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

            i thought the mall thing was debunked

          • Max Wellian

            No official records, just the memories of people that worked there at the time.
            I think the age of consent was based on whether or not they were a sibling 😉

          • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

            ha ha i’m trying to be serious Max! when my brother was stationed in Jax(well,actually Mayport) Florida,he went over the line into Georgia for his honeymoon&told me then the age you could get married was 16;not that his wife was 16,though!

          • Max Wellian

            I know. And I actually don’t think it’s that bad of an idea. Kinda stupid for an 18 year old to be guilty of a crime for having a 17 year old girlfriend.
            OTOH, I doubt that even in Alabamy, it was designed to allow a 36 year old man to chase the varsity cheerleading squad around the shopping mall.

          • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

            there are some problems with that story-it was first reported that police had made the accusation,turns out they were mall cops(securities) and i notice all the women accusing Moore have crawled off somewhere,having accomplished their purpose

          • Max Wellian

            He’s welcome to sue them. He has grounds. This cost him financially. Bet he doesn’t. Liars don’t mind lying on TV. No consequences. Lying in court is a different matter.

          • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

            last i heard he hadn’t even conceded-i remember when they did the same thing to Herman Cain-the main accuser was this blonde with glasses that lived in David Axelrod’s apartment building! Herman finally withdrew because his family was suffering-his grandkids getting crap at school,etc.

          • Max Wellian

            Herman could have sued then too, but he didn’t either.
            I can assure you that if someone lies about me and costs me money, I will have them in court where they can tell their story under oath. I think there’s a reason some of these pervs don’t.
            BTW, I think they just lived in the same apt building at some point in time. I don’t think it was Ax’s apartment. And why Ax would want to Uzbekibekistanstan genius Cain to lose his primary is beyond me.
            FWIW, the broad that claimed Al Franken groped her over a bulletproof flak jacket was a regular Hannity dittohead.

          • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

            i said she lived in Axelrod’s building,that’s all-and i don’t think Leean ever said he actually touched her-a lot of people inferred that,but i looked pretty close and i don’t think Weird Al ever actually touched her(through a flak jacket,yet!)and even if his hands actually touched cloth,he wasn’t a US senator yet…what bothers me more about Franken is the way he got elected with the magic votes that put him over being found miraculously in TWO car trunks,ostensibly from outlying regions! Norm Coleman was robbed, i think that was fairly evident

          • TheMarvelous1310

            Bringing up the age of consent? Creepy.

          • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

            not at all-the age of consent is the age at which a person can get married without parental permission,that’s all i meant

          • RyYYZ

            Even if the age of consent was 16 at the time (it was 14 in Canada until a few years ago), being creeped out by a 30-something DA cruising for teeny-boppers at the mall is pretty understandable.

          • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

            that would be creepy,yes

          • Michael McMillan

            Mall thing substantiated, not bebunked. The alleged ‘bebunker’ was a fraud. ‘Age of consent’ has nothing to do with statutory rape. Anyone under 18 by anyone over 17 is rape. Period. ‘Age of consent’ is a legal fallacy and the ages noted are actually the age at which a person may marry with parental consent if under 18.

          • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

            what i have noticed is that since the special election in Alabama,the accusers have disappeared ,Judge Moore has all but disappeared,the only mention of him in the news i’ve heard is that he hasn’t yet conceded-it looks like as with Herman Cain,the smear campaign was successful

          • Michael McMillan

            Your assessment of the media is accurate, I think. They’ve stopped reporting because it’s no longer “News”. Accusers are still going about their lives, just no reporters in their faces. There is still some legal action pending but the lawyers will clamp down on the info from that to keep whatever edge each side thinks it may have.
            It’s only a smear campaign if you wanted him in there. I had a problem with him on other levels, the main one of which was that he damn near went to the federal pen because he could not/would not separate his religious beliefs from his state function and that’s required by the constitution of the US. That problem would have been compounded considerably by him being one of only 100 (Law-making) US Senators. You seem a smart and reasonable guy so I mean you no offense on a personal level, but I’m glad he didn’t get in for at least three reasons not having anything to do with teen-aged girls and malls..

          • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

            ha ha i take no offense,and will even leave you the gate! as a recovering un-reasonable person,i appreciate the compliment! also i believe the “separation clause” to be pure fiction,a misinterpretation of the Constitiution; to me it is pretty clear the Founders simply didn’t want us to be,say,an Anglican country like England,or Catholic like Italy, France,Portugal and Spain,but to welcome all religions,though i think Islam was suspect especially to Thomas Jefferson; anyway i find the older i get the less i identify as a Dem or a a Rep-put me down as a Conservatarian,that would be closest

        • Tinwoods

          Talking about your orange idol, Comrade Drumph? The used car salesman, snake oil salesman that you and your minority of trailer-dwelling types still support. The real enemies of the country appreciate your ongoing support.

          • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

            better than what almost happened(Comrade Hillary)but i’m curious,who are the “real” enemies of the country,in your eyes?

  • JMDGT

    Man, I just turned 60 this year. I better research the data in those statistics. I am seriously thinking about a mowhawk thing for my helmet.

    • Born to Ride

      That’s so 2012 man, now you need to get a Predator or Stormtrooper skin to wear over the top pf the whole thing. That way, not only is your maturity compromised, but also the safety of yourself and those around you. That’s how the kewl kids do it these days. Oh Oh, and dont forget your laser tag vest/ external spine protector.

      • Kamohelo Mohudi

        crap and i just bought myself one of those vests/external spine protectors for summer riding….i’m 28 so what the hell hahaha

        • Born to Ride

          I’m 26 and I already feel like an old man Luddite in the company of those just a few years my junior. And mesh jacket will offer you far better protection in the summer, both for the ride and the potential slide. You can always wear it underneath though if you’re worried about taking a direct, orthogonal impact to the spine. (Unlikely but possible)

    • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

      that one got me too

  • Rocky Stonepebble

    Sturgis

    The gathering, the idea, the happening does more to destroy motorcycling than any anti-motorcycle legislation going. Geriatric idiots on complete shit-boxes and tatted-up tossers riding air-cooled, 45 degree V-twins to a town devoid of teeth. The American equivalent of Port Dover.

    If one more f*cking clown tells me that “the sound and feel of the …” I shall kick the f*** out of him.

    If one has a rural abode and someone attempted to sell to the owner of such pad a 45 degree V-twin water pump, the owner should expectedly be liable to assault.

    Harleys are a f*cking disaster. They are sh*t. And all of the idiots in the world quoting the “made for idiots” brainwashing advertising that also has them drinking “Bud” and “Jack Daniels” are complete f*cking clowns. It is the motorbike equivalent of purchasing a Model A, instead of a new car.

    And, if one is offended, or does not agree, GFY. I do not wish to hear it. One is an idiot.

    • Tod Rafferty

      Reckon Port Dover must be in England, a country with bad teeth.

      • hipsabad

        nope, Canada, chewing seal tendon makes our teeth strong

      • Rocky Stonepebble

        Geography major, correct?

    • Gruf Rude

      So you are not buying into John Burns’ Number 1 . . .

      • Sayyed Bashir

        He is giving an example of number 1 in his own comedic way.

        • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

          got it!

      • Rocky Stonepebble

        I was in a mood. It started at birth.

    • Max Wellian

      Mr Burns just told you, “boo on hate.” And stop disparaging Model A Fords!

    • pcontiman

      Sturgis is a blast, you should try it. On those “complete shit boxes” I guess I could buy that ninja1400, it’s a great bike, but I need 160Hp for what exactly ? or that GSXR to make me feel like Valentino ? or one of the parallel piston’ed supercruisers because I only want to feel a little wind…Or maybe I should buy one of those “so much better” bikes because they make me feel good just like that V-twin I ride…..

      • pcontiman

        BTW, if you want a brother in arms, look up Black Echo…..good for a laugh if nothing else but you might enjoy his point of view…

      • Rocky Stonepebble

        “And, if one is offended, or does not agree, GFY. I do not wish to hear it. One is an idiot.”

        • pcontiman

          GFY – Good for You! cool.

    • RyYYZ

      Port Dover (Ontario, Canada – big bike gathering every Friday the 13th) is the Canadian equivalent of Sturgis, not the other way around. Anyway, if Sturgis is anything like Friday the 13th in P.D., I’ve had my fill already.

      • Rocky Stonepebble

        I know. I live an hour east of Trawna.

        • RyYYZ

          I figured you knew where it was, I figured others reading here might not, though.

  • John B.

    I’m tired of bad news!!!

    10. Sales are down – Meh, I already own a bike.
    9. Valentino Rossi…. Loses Again – Meh, I’m a Marquez fan.
    8. Crumbling Roads Natural Disasters – Move to a boom town. Great roads await.
    7. Sturgis Tamed – Doctors, Lawyers, Accountants… Sounds dreadful. Don’t go!
    6. Lack of Making Moto Training Fun – I say let em suffer! Only Millennials expect everything to be fun. Safety training is serious work.
    5. Crap Fuel Mileage No E-Bike Breakthrough – If you can’t afford the gas, you can’t play. E-Bikes are for suckers.
    4. Lack of Automatic Transmissions – If shifting gears is too difficult for you, don’t ride.
    3. Still No Lane Sharing 49/50 – It’s too hot in Big D to commute on a bike anyway, and people here drive crazy. I never drive…. Take Uber!!!
    2. Old Motorcyclists Dying – Not living is worse than dying.
    1. Too Much Hate – Word!!!

    • Born to Ride

      Say it ain’t so John! You? One of the unwashed peasants desecrating the faith of Rossi by committing to idolatry in that filthy cult of 93? I weep for you and your progeny.

      • John B.

        Yes, I am the Great unwashed when it comes to MotoGP. It all looks like Cirque du Sole (Sp?) to me. I gather Rossi is like Michael Jordan, only shorter.

        • Born to Ride

          Indeed, except he isn’t a egotistical asshole like MJ. Also I think he’s like 5’11”, which is actually really tall for a GP jockey.

        • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

          Soleil-it’s French for sun

          • John B.

            Thank you!

          • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

            de rien(you’re welcome)

      • QuestionMark666

        I’ve moved on to Zarco for 2018

        • Sayyed Bashir

          And Zarco on a KTM for 2019.

      • Starmag
        • Born to Ride

          I don’t hate Marky Marq. He’s just not Vale, and never will be. Even when he eventually usurps all his records.

    • Sayyed Bashir

      “Not living is worse than dying”. My exact sentiment.

      • Harold O’Brien

        There is a great big difference between living and surviving . I know of no version of living, for me, that doesn’t include MC riding.

    • Harold O’Brien

      Sturgis is worth it just for the local riding. Custer National Park, The Silver Fish Run, Deadwood. The real problem with Sturgis is the agents of social control, the police, give zero slack. Last time I was there I talked to a couple of guys that got tickets for doing 31-32 MPH in a 30 zone. God forbid you get pulled over after a couple of beers.

      • John B.

        I plan to explore that region during the summer, but not during the rally. Other than the vendors, nothing about the Sturgis rally interests me much.

      • Jon Jones

        Good warning.

    • pcontiman

      #7-forget the doctors, lawyers and accountants-Go to Sturgis, Camp out with some buds, Do a concert at the Chip sitting on your bike, hit the joints that look like fun, ride the Black Hills and knock back a few with your buds (do I have to mention the responsibility thing ?) and have fun. If you love motorcycles, there is nothing like a week at the Black Hills Motorcycle Rally.

      • Sayyed Bashir

        I passed through there in 1987 on my way back from Canada. One ride through town was enough for me. Camped at Buffalo Chip. Started raining at night so got up early for a long ride back to Texas. Went wide on a slippery turn in the Black Hills near Mount Rushmore and almost got run over by a oncoming truck. Stopped right at the bumper but broke the headlight on my Harley. Rode with the broken headlight all the way to Texas. Sturgis is OK if you like to hang out with bikers and do biker things. Not for me.

        • Born to Ride

          Whahh, you not wanting to hang out with bikers? This discussion thread is blowing my mind with all these revelations!

        • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

          i’m thinkin’ if you rode from from South Dakota to Texas with a busted headlight on your Harley you might be a biker…

          • Sayyed Bashir

            Yes, I had to spend the night in Amarillo even though I could have made it to Fort Worth if I had a headlight. Didn’t want to get a ticket.

          • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

            those Texas troopers don’t care if you have a catalytic converter or a smog pump but a safety violation they would cite you for! when i went through Amarillo it was roasting,but you definitely made the right choice!

  • Lane splitting would be great however in Florida you’d have to figure how to out run the bullets from frustrated NRA members stuck in ticky tacky boxes. Then get them onboard with lane splitting. And if they don’t like my Vespa I guess they can deport me back whence I emigrated, which seems to be the plan these days anyway, after they’ve finished with the dreamers and the Mexicans and so forth.
    At least I had a couple of laughs between tears with this list.

    • TC

      you want some cheese with that whine?

    • Sayyed Bashir

      I guess Florida’s stand-your-ground law allows them to shoot you if they perceive you as a threat to themselves or others.

      • TC

        What does the NRA have to do with motorcycling?

        • DickRuble

          They’re the idiots in cars, stuck in traffic, who wave their fists (some time guns) at you when you split lanes. That’s what it has to do.

          • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

            some people can shoot AND ride

          • DickRuble

            Everybody can shoot. 3-year old kids can shoot. Sometimes they shoot their siblings, other times their own stupid parents.

        • john burns

          the NRA is HIGHLY effective at getting their members whatever they want.

          • TC

            I have to disagree with you there. California has some of the most restrictive firearm laws in the nation, and the NRA has fought them all the way. With the Democrat super majority here in Calif., they pass any crazy law they can think of.

          • pcontiman

            I keep hearing about these restrictive laws in CA, but the only thing that seems unreasonable out here is the difficulty in getting a CCW. Other than that, the folks I know sure own a lot of firearms and shoot them whenever they want on public land or at ranges.

          • Sayyed Bashir

            There is no difficulty in getting a CCW in CA. You need to take a training class (around $600), buy a gun (around $600) and you are done. I have adventure riding friends who carry a gun with them. They go fly fishing to remote areas and it is necessary to have protection. Actually if you have a fishing rod with you, you can carry a gun even without a CCW.

          • TC

            That is only true if you live in a ‘shall issue’ county. Most of the urban counties are ‘may issue’, which means that you have to be politically connected to have any chance of getting a permit.

          • Tinwoods

            Huh? So entirely wrong.

          • Sayyed Bashir

            That’s the procedure where I live. Your experience may vary.

          • TC

            It’s illegal to carry a firearm either concealed or openly. Starting in January, residents will be required to obtain a permit to purchase ammunition. There are many convoluted laws regarding the possession of semi automatic rifles, violation of which can be a felony. No new handguns can be offered for sale unless they employ ‘microstamping’ technology, which is not available. The state can seize all of your firearms, without due judicial process, based on a statement by just about anyone, that you pose some kind of a threat. The list goes on.

          • pcontiman

            The CCW permitting process needs to be changed. If you are not a felon, no violent history, you should get one, no problem. Not sure what the benefit of open carry is. Arizona has it and it looks like a nut show when you walk into Golden Corral and some dude has two six guns strapped on. I feel a lot safer in CO where the CCW permit is easily obtained. Some of the places I frequent may have as much as 50% carrying but know one knows who they are so causing a scene in one of those places is a bad gamble. My anecdotal reasoning is that my gun aficionado friends in CA have arsenals including mulitple semi-autos and tens of thousands of rounds of ammo. They somehow are able to attain this in the land of over-regulation. The part about “no due process” is true though. So while I may have to amend my position, I see law abiding citizens out here getting all the firepower they want or at least “need”.

          • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

            very good point-i live in Ca. and know people that have multiple guns and rounds however,i think we have a limit (now) on the amount of rounds you can have in possession;but we’ll see after the first of the year, whole new batch of anti-gun regs are coming down the pike!

          • Tinwoods

            So, genius. What about all the killers who buy guns BEFORE they become killers (felons)? I’ve had extensive police training using handguns, and the last thing I want to see in the street is some idiot who took a class at a gun range pulling his or her weapon out in the real streets.

          • Tinwoods

            You obviously hate California, so do the rest of us all a favor and please just move. Alabama sounds about right for you.

          • TC

            I’m happy for your new position in life, Tinwoods, telling other people where they should live. Haters be hatin’.

        • Tinwoods

          Such a simple-to-understand joke, yet you still missed with your gun-worshipping mentality.

          • TC

            Wrong again.

    • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

      these days the people shooting at you are more likely ‘bangers or random serial killers;NRA types tend to respect the Constitution and the law

      • TC

        So do concealed carry permittees.

      • c w

        Source?

        Does the NRA publish a list of their memberships involved in shooting casualties?

        • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

          don’t know-and i’m not a member-but most deaths-by-gun are suicides,supposedly,i guess that would even include Chicago(?)

      • Tinwoods

        The mass murderer in Vegas, like hundreds of killers in history, allegedly respected the Constitution… until he didn’t.

        • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

          i don’t think he was ever in the NRA

  • TC

    When did Harley re-invent its lineup? All they sell is overweight cruisers, and a couple of junk entry level bikes.

    • Sayyed Bashir

      You seem to be on a tear today. What’s up?

  • Mahatma

    Liked one comment in El diablo run video:Sturgis is broke-dick 😀 Classic

  • Born to Ride

    While I think #5 is silly(as I suspect you do too JB), you did bring up a good point about the sportbikes of yore. The firebreathing 916 got mid 40s fuel economy and made a little over 100hp. The new supersport does the same, but is considered the mellow, underpowered, plastic Cadillac of Ducati sportbikes. Your thoughts?

    • Sayyed Bashir

      My Harley, KTM 1190 R and Suzuki Bandit 1250S are all between 40 and 44 mpg. No complaints there. The new KTM 500 EXC-F is 55 mpg.

      • pcontiman

        Is that Bandit not one of the best “bang for the buck” bikes ever ?!

        • therr850

          love my ’08 but wish the pegs were a little further from the seat. As is, makes my legs ache after about 40 minutes.

        • Sayyed Bashir

          Yes, love the bike! 2007 but just like new with many upgrades such as Yoshimura exhaust, steel braided brake lines, better chain, bigger windshield. Got it for just $2500 in March from the owner down the road and now ride with his sport bike group. Added a GI Pro gear position indicator which also improves performance in lower gears. Goes like a Bandit!
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/81e6b376986aeb344c8cb2e18e64438d1cff112b587a4217599789d80b687926.jpg

          • Johnny Blue

            How does a gear position indicator improve performance? Sounds to me like saying that you can go faster because you have a speedometer…

          • Sayyed Bashir

            Healtech GI Pro gear position indicator with ATRE (Automatic Timing Retard Eliminator). Suzuki retards the timing in the lower gears for emission reasons. The GI Pro goes in-between the gear position sensor and the ECU. It makes the ECU think it is always in 5th gear so it never retards the timing. Hence more power in the lower gears. On the GSX-R1000 and the Hayabusa, it also eliminates the top speed restriction (as if you needed to go faster!).
            https://www.healtech-electronics.com/products/gipro/gpat/

          • Johnny Blue

            Ok. That ATRE explains it. But you didn’t mention it and I was not aware that Healtech made this combo. I only have the speedo healer and the brake light module from them. The speedo healer is especially useful to me because I changed sprocket and tire sizes.

    • Max Wellian

      Advertising has fooled men into believing that if they ride a 160 hp machine they are a god.
      The part about the electronic nannies included to kill the power and keep them from killing themselves is somewhere in the fine print.
      As a former engineer, I’m all in favor of paying us a bunch to extract every pony out of an engine and then paying more to put gizmos on it to keep you from using it. Win win.
      Still, I’ll be buying the losers that let me do it with my own damn wrist.

      • Born to Ride

        Exactly my line of thinking. I was riding last Saturday with one of the guys that is legitimately quick on my local sportbike spot. He just bought a K6 gixxer and had it all tuned suspension and brembo monoblocs. He could not lose me in any of the twisty sections because he said if he used more than half the throttle it was spinning the rear. He had decent Q3 tires and it was a cool day, High 60s. Meanwhile I was giving my 85-90hp multistrada WOT on some sweepers and corner exits and having a blast. Riding a new bike with TC is chopping away 50% of your throttle if you attempt to do the same. So what the hell is the point?

    • Gruf Rude

      Up here above 6000 feet, my 11-year old, air-cooled Ducati 800SS regularly gets 64MPG and is still faster than any sane person can ride on the canyon roads that twist through the Rockies. 70 HP seems to be enough, but then again, I’m 70 and slower than I was in my youth . . .

      • Harold O’Brien

        “..slower than I was in my youth . . .”

        Aren’t we all.

  • hipsabad

    the answer, for me, is Husky 701SM

    • DickRuble

      He he he.. Not unlike Hugh Hefner for whom, at age 86 the answer was a 26 yo.

      • hipsabad

        at 62 a 22-year-old took me home from a bar so i’m not complaining–nor resentful of HH. nonetheless sometimes i feel more like i’m 701

  • Starmag

    Look on the bright side. There’s still MO.

  • QuestionMark666

    I’m 65, I have been a continuous rider for most of the past 50 years with only a couple of 1-year periods without a bike in the garage. I sold a Kawasaki ZRX and a ‘Busa over the last year and didn’t have a bike for 2017 until Sept when I bought a Triumph T120. It’s a lot calmer ride than the ‘Busa, I ride a lot slower today than 10 years ago when I had a MV Agusta and was going to track days still.
    But recently urban riding is scaring me, a couple of close calls and I’m thinking about finally calling it quits, getting a Corvette convertible and just admire bikes at a distance.

    • Harold O’Brien

      I’m about fives years behind you and live/ride on Long Island and NYC. What concerns me more is approaching that time when I might not be physically able to ride. Besides, buying it on my bike is the only way left to have a “Good Viking Death”.

      Do not go gentle into that good night,… Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

      • Tinwoods

        “a Good Viking Death.” Good one.

    • DickRuble

      Please.. you had an MV Agusta.. Getting a Corvette after that is like ordering baked beans after tiramisu. Get a decent car.

      • QuestionMark666

        Dick I want just one Vette, a 2013 427 Convertible

        • DickRuble

          Not the new C7?

          • QuestionMark666

            the new one is ugly only a few made 1 year

  • Vrooom

    Great article, and I went in skeptical. Yeah, we as motorcyclists need to stick together. Riding in at 25 this morning I thought I might stick to my bike, but together is better.

  • Harold O’Brien

    “They’re all motorcycles. Yes, even trikes. Maybe but Can Am’s are not.

    “Follow the golden rule: Don’t be a dick.” Or. try my philosophy; I get up everyday trying to not be an ass. I accept that some days I am more successful than others.

  • Treeman

    At age 75, I’ve given up motorcycles and switched to scooters, a Piaggio MP3 250ie and a Burgman 200. I started riding scooters at age 14, and it’s like going back to my childhood again. However, scooters are not for men who are not secure in their manhood, identity issues, etc.

    • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

      switching to a Burgman doesn’t sound like giving up motorcycles, more like gradual withdrawal,like Methadone on two wheels

    • c w

      The scooters are there for those men, as soon as those men are ready for those scooters.

    • John Williamson

      You tell ’em, Treeman! A real man will ride any damn thing he wants to! Well…..maybe not a 50cc “Hello Kitty” scooter…….

  • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

    excellent! and it ended with an upbeat note,plus some great lines”fear not the crotch rocketeer..” being one of my personal favorites-but i have to say a little scary(as i speed toward 65);still it seems like the motorcyclist death rate isn’t too out of line with general stats.I’m going to contemplate what the best most reliable,trouble free bike i can afford and take up riding again.It’s about time!

    • Sayyed Bashir

      Better than dying a slow death in a nursing home.

      • michael32853hutson@yahoo.com

        so true

  • Scott Silvers

    “older people in general more prone to die than younger ones?” — very funny….

  • ducatirdr

    I had a blast at Sturgis the week before Bike Week this past year. Once Bike Week started the mood changed.

    I’ve been riding on the street since the 70’s. I’ve seen a huge change in the hobby/sport. Back in the 70’s and 80’s if you rode a bike you got a wave. Today people are too cool for that. I actually heard someone say “bikers don’t wave”. It’s not about waving to each other but more about that attitude. You never saw that back in the day. People that rode motorcycles were into motorcycles and not some made for TV personality flaw. Sure we poked fun at bikes that we didn’t ride but we still looked out for each other. I miss that vibe. A tip of the hat to the younger crew that seems to understand that riding bikes is about fun and not wearing an attitude. Wheelie those Dyna’s and build those 70’s UJM’s. Enjoy your freedom to be happy while you ride!

    • pcontiman

      Bikers might not wave but Motorcyclists do. Unless you’ve got a 3 piece patch on your back, you’re likely one of the latter. (apologies to you lone wolf nomads)

      • Sayyed Bashir

        I have many jackets with 3 piece patches but I wave to all motorcyclists (except scooters and Spyders).

        • Born to Ride

          Some guys still deserve a completely unwarranted middle finger, amirite?

          • Sayyed Bashir

            No, just ignore them and they will eventually go away.

        • 12er

          I wave to all, sometimes the cops wave back. Usually the spyder ryders are happy to be acknowledged… (granted I see them as snowmachines with wheels) Scooter riders are just confused, easy to tell since most have open face helmets.

    • Kamohelo Mohudi

      in South Africa we have 3 kinds of bikers: the patched/sports bike riders, the GS riders and scooters/small displacement bikes….GS riders never greet unless you are aboard one and i’m too fast to wave back at the smaller displacement bikes by the time they see you you’re already past but they always run out of fuel so I always stop to help one out if i see them by the side of the road

    • Gruf Rude

      Living a hundred miles south from Sturgis, NOBODY waves during the two weeks of the Rally – otherwise you’d never get your left hand on the handlebar. I-25 sounds like a World War I aerodrome from 5AM to 1AM . . .

      • ducatirdr

        Agree, I wasn’t linking the wave to Sturgis but rather the attitude that removed the wave from culture back home. Everyone trying too hard to be a bad A$$. This is not limited to Harley’s but society as a whole.

  • SteveSweetz

    11. Motorcycle websites continuing to gush over absurd uber bikes like the KTM Super Duke GT instead of paying attention to, giving more coverage to, and awarding lower end bikes that people getting into riding, as well as most of the rest of us, would actually buy.

    • spiff

      The industry needs Super Dukes and the like. These are the bikes that new riders romance about as they cruise on their new cb500. Plus, small bikes get plenty of coverage.

    • Sayyed Bashir

      The KTM Super Duke GT is not absurd, as long as you can afford it. Have you ridden one?

      • SteveSweetz

        I don’t need to ride one to know that no one in the world needs or can even actually use a sport touring bike with over 170hp. Same with S1000XR. A bike that most riders can’t take past half throttle is absurd.

        I’m cool with all the electronics, but no one needs that much engine in a sport touring bike. It would be nice if you actually buy a “high end” smaller displacement bike. Gimme the electronic suspension and other stuff on a bike with 85-110hp.

        • Sayyed Bashir

          A sport touring bike by definition carries two people of average or heavier weight all geared up and their luggage across the country up and down steep hills and on curvy roads and interstates at a brisk pace and has enough power to quickly go around speeding tractor trailers especially if there is oncoming traffic. Many European bikes are designed for the autobahn where there is no speed limit. I agree they are not for everyone but there are plenty of people who enjoy them. That doesn’t make them absurd. Motorcycle magazines like high performing bikes. What are they going to write about “lower end” bikes that has not already been written? They do have a “Best Value” award that should keep you amused. Also Best Value Motorcycles of 2017: http://www.motorcycle.com/top10/best-value-motorcycles-of-2017.html

        • Born to Ride

          It’s called a Turismo Veloce. I almost bought one, but then opted for the pure analog goodness of the Multistrada 1100S.

          • Mad4TheCrest

            The TV is an MV, with all that comes with it. Good and Bad.

          • Born to Ride

            I don’t really know anyone that has had a long term, every day rider experience with MV. They might be as unreliable as people, who have never owned one, like to postulate, but honestly they could be just fine. People always love to talk about how expensive it is to own a Ducati and how unreliable they are and I can tell you first hand that I have been able to rely on my various bikes for years.

        • Mad4TheCrest

          I too would like all the latest electronic goodies to be available on a bike that won’t send me to felony speed when twisting past half throttle in any gear. Some people buying the goodies these days get a bike that overwhelms them as part of the deal. Or at least a bike they can’t enjoy to it’s specified max.

  • oops

    if “Lane Sharing” refers to lane splitting in CA … it is the most abused motorcycle privileged in CA which is loaded with too many out-of-towners not used to seeing it.

    • Sayyed Bashir

      I have been lane splitting in CA every weekday for 10 years and 160,000 miles and have not had any problems at all. If out-of-towners are not used to seeing it, they better get used to it PDQ.

      • John D.

        Lane splitting at 65+ mph, isn’t something drivers should have to get used to.

        • Sayyed Bashir

          Did anyone mention lane splitting at 65+ mph? The law allows lane splitting when traffic is moving at 30 mph or below and the bike can go 10 mph faster than the traffic which comes to 40 mph. Lane splitting means there are cars on both sides of you. If traffic is sparse, you can ride faster because you can go around cars. That is not lane splitting.

          • John D.

            Just returned from a trip to CA, (Oceanside and Carlsbad area), of the dozen or so bikes I saw “lane splitting” only two followed the law(30 mph or less traffic), the rest were 65+ mph. First bike we saw lane splitting was in 70 mph traffic, light traffic at that. OP called lane splitting the most abused motorcycle privilege by out-of-towners. You said out-of-towners need to get used it. I say most of the bikers I saw were the ones abusing it.

          • Sayyed Bashir

            John, first of all “oops” was misquoted by you: He said “too many out-of-towners not used to seeing it” (not abusing it) which was true in your case. Secondly if the traffic was light, that was not lane splitting as I explained above. It was just regular riding for which the speed limit is 65 mph.

          • John D.

            “if “Lane Sharing” refers to lane splitting in CA … it is the most abused motorcycle privileged in CA which is loaded with too many out-of-towners not used to seeing it.” Full quote.

            I took it as out-of-towners abusing motorcyclists privilege of lane splitting. By light I mean not bumper to bumper, several car lengths between cars. Your definition of light may differ. Regular riding isn’t passing between cars while riding on the dotted lines between the second and third lane at 75-80 mph. Highway 5 near Camp Pendleton.

          • Born to Ride

            There is no law on the books regarding lane splitting speed limits. Generally speaking, the police are only going to write you a reckless driving ticket if your speed differential is high or you are weaving in and out of lanes. Riding on the dotted line between the far left and second lane is the accepted practice on the freeways. I have literally followed motorcycle cops for miles “splitting” those lanes at 60 MPH when traffic was moving about 40-45. I have never received a ticket for lane splitting because I don’t do it like a jackass. Those marines near Pendleton though?
            Well this is one guy’s R6 who was shipping out the next week.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b5429c7e0b9ad215800b23f6a71262cccfe3fea4320e862af7e6abf4739bb0e6.jpg

          • John D.

            Yeah, youth and testosterone make you immortal, until you’re not.
            I actually wish lane splitting was legal country wide, doesn’t seem to be a huge push for it though. Seems too many car drivers feel that if they are stuck in traffic, you should be too.

          • Born to Ride

            Thankfully he walked away from that wreck, but he was very unskilled and riding very fast.

          • John D.

            Glad to hear it. Hopefully it didn’t scare him off of two wheels.

          • Gruf Rude

            Maybe it should. . .

          • Sayyed Bashir

            He must have been imagining he was Tom Cruise in Top Gun at the Naval Air Station Miramar.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dfeab594bdf463c23a6f85aca1a6efd030b96321f64cb886f8cef9e8cbc9b577.jpg

          • Born to Ride

            You mean riding a bike in the back of a pickup truck? Lol

        • Lewis

          My first intro to lane splitting was my trip to the 2005 MotoGP in Laguna. Flew in from MD and rented a car. Heading back to San Jose after the Saturday activities at the track, I was moving along at 70 and was strafed by 3 guys going at least 100 right between me and the guy in the left lane. About crapped my pants. Constantly kept an eye on my mirrors after that!

          • Mad4TheCrest

            Having commuted by bike in CA for a few years in the past, I quickly learned to appreciate lane-sharing on the freeway, not so much so on surface streets. On the freeway the only abuses I saw were when lane-sharing the carpool lane. Bikers there would drift by slower cars at 75-80. Where carpool lanes didn’t exist most everybody filtered respectfully, but the urge to get around a slower car in the carpool lane, even when that slower car was going 70, was just too much for many (me included, at times).

    • Born to Ride

      Most people in cars are completely used to it in LA traffic. Many get out of your way even when you have plenty of space. Lane sharing is a more apt description of the practice than any other.

  • Sentinel

    Speaking of the Honda NC700X. Reports of CCT failures on the it are concerning. You also mentioned Honda’s DCT, which has seen all kinds of fail across the board. Even the mighty new Africa Twin has fallen serious (deadly) victim to it.

    • Sayyed Bashir

      Care to post any references?

      • Sentinel

        Links here probably won’t come through, but if you know how to perform a simple “search” on the “internet”, all will be revealed young Grasshopper.

        • Rocky Stonepebble

          Links are allowed “grasshopper.” Maybe you are just an idiot full of shit.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot

          • Sentinel

            Maybe you don’t know how to use the “Search Function” sweetheart.

          • Rocky Stonepebble

            Obviously, idiot, I used the “search” function when I provided the idiot you with a link.

            You are new to this, aren’t you?

            Fucking idiot.

    • barrylindon

      I discussed with my mechanic here in madrid where they sold tons of them as commuting bikes are more popular in this side and he has yet to see failure in the dct transmission. Those failures must be minimal, the bike has been out for 5 years already.

  • toomanycrayons

    “Actually it’s treat others how you’d like to be treated….”

    Have you never met anyone with lower standards than yourself? Just asking…

  • c w

    As challenging as it was and as I disappointed as I was in my scores, I enjoyed my MSF experience. I admit to having a different sense of enjoyment, however.

    Agreed about learning to ride on dirt, but a class about riding on the street would still be advised (necessary?) Street riding is a different beast and much of what was valuable for me in the MSF was about the awareness needed for riding with traffic.

    WTH hasn’t someone built a 17 motorcycle wheel with an electric hub motor yet?

  • RightbytheLake

    I can’t believe what a bunch of idiots people must be to hijack a thread about motorcycling and turn it into being one about politics. Discuss politics on political sites unless it is a political issue directly involving motorcycling.

  • Don Silvernail

    That’s a strange picture to include in your argument for importing lane-sharing to other states. That line of bikers doesn’t appear to be making any better time that the cars next to them!

  • Chicago_Joe

    It’s the crazy cagers……I’m sure.

  • Expat47

    As a European rider I can vouch for lane sharing/splitting being the greatest thing about urban scooting. Parking is high on the list but putting up with exhaust fumes and heat while being stuck in traffic when there is more than enough room to scoot on past just doesn’t make sense.

    Don’t get me wrong… here in So. Europe 2 wheelers are so numerous that we can not be ignored and drivers can’t ignore us. Even in few years I rode in the US I’d been in more “I didn’t see you” near misses than I have in decades of riding over here. If/When those “extra” lanes are ever opened up in the US I’d expect a real steep learning curve for both drivers and riders resulting in a lot of busted heads; unfortunately.

    The scooter sigma, while it exists to some degree over here, isn’t as pronounced ’cause my 33hp Piaggio X10 can keep up with most any over powered crotch rocket through traffic while being a whole lot easier on my body, more economical, and a whole lot more practical!

  • Stan Brown

    Thank you for your passing nod to trikes, even if it was a bit late. There are more and more trikes on the road all the time. A lot of you people who disparage them will have balance problems someday and you will then be glad to have a trike. It is a safer way to keep enjoying the motorcycle experience when your inner ear tells you to fall over.

    • Eric

      Well said! I figure I’ll build a bobber-styled Servicar if it happens to me.

  • Eric

    Great article, especially the last paragraph, and any writer who quotes Gordon Jennings is ok in my book.