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2008 Travertson V-REX Review
 

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acecycleins 02-13-2008 05:25 PM

You know.......
 
If they raised the bike 2 inches and put the front suspension of the BMW K1200s on the thing I'd consider the bike- right after I win the lottery. Looks cool, completely useless for anyone but a poser.

Nice write-up guys.

Buzglyd 02-13-2008 07:58 PM

Well it certainly isn't a DL650 VStrom.

Loved your comment about Robb Report Motorcycling. If that isn't the biggest joke of a magazine I don't know what is. Ad copy is more critical than that overpriced piece of crap (the magazine not the motorcycle). The RR editors should be embarrassed they even print that thing.

Kevin_Duke 02-13-2008 11:06 PM

Thx, Buz. I hate to bag on RRMC, as I really like the guys who write it. But I couldn't give them a pass on this one.

Also, I just received word from Travert that there is some sort of new component for the V-REX that somehow increases ground clearance. More on that when I have more info.

The_AirHawk 02-13-2008 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin_Duke (Post 178828)
Also, I just received word from Travert that there is some sort of new component for the V-REX that somehow increases ground clearance. More on that when I have more info.

It wouldn't be called a "Centerstand" or a "Motorcycle/ATV Jack", by chance?

xlr8r 02-14-2008 03:20 AM

Yawn
 
Another billet barge, even if it's alloy. Can't believe you're getting excited about bar-end indicators - they've been around in Europe for the past forty-plus years as a common BMW aftermarket trinket; and as for single-sided front ends, have a look at what people like Ludovic Lazareth do. Sorry, but this is just overpriced, unoriginal, and probably unrideable, too.

longride 02-14-2008 04:57 AM

A little tough on the Robb Report Mag there Buz. They are just catering to the Starbucks crowd.

opie 02-14-2008 05:49 AM

I had one of those awhile back. It was blue
 
You know, I actually had one of those awhile back. It was blue. They called it the GTS 1000. Mine was cooler.

seruzawa 02-14-2008 06:04 AM

Paging Honda Motorcycle Company....
Paging Honda Motorcycle Company....
Paging Honda Motorcycle Company....

Competition for the Rune has arrived.

pplassm 02-14-2008 06:06 AM

I actually made the mistake of subscribing to RRMC. Glossy photos and style articles weren't my cup of grog.

seruzawa 02-14-2008 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xlr8r (Post 178831)
Another billet barge, even if it's alloy. Can't believe you're getting excited about bar-end indicators - they've been around in Europe for the past forty-plus years as a common BMW aftermarket trinket; and as for single-sided front ends, have a look at what people like Ludovic Lazareth do. Sorry, but this is just overpriced, unoriginal, and probably unrideable, too.

The front end is just a one-sided leading link. Leading links have been around a long time. Pre-70s BMWs anyone? How about the ELF GP bikes of the 80's? Greeves? Honda Cub? Dreams? Etc.

Buzglyd 02-14-2008 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by longride (Post 178833)
A little tough on the Robb Report Mag there Buz. They are just catering to the Starbucks crowd.

I had a free one year subscription to it once. The only thing that would have been worse was two free years.

It's the Obama of moto mags. A lot of words and nothing gets said!

acecycleins 02-14-2008 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzglyd (Post 178840)
I had a free one year subscription to it once. The only thing that would have been worse was two free years.

It's the Obama of moto mags. A lot of words and nothing gets said!

Love that! The American Idol Contestant for President.
(stole that from Neal Boortz)

vermicious 02-14-2008 07:51 AM

that thing is oogly and seems like it would be annoying to ride.

longride 02-14-2008 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzglyd (Post 178840)
I had a free one year subscription to it once. The only thing that would have been worse was two free years.

It's the Obama of moto mags. A lot of words and nothing gets said!

Could be worse. It could be the Al Gore of moto mags and lots of words but nothing ever gets done.

bbtowns 02-14-2008 08:47 AM

Man, I watched 4.5 minutes of video hoping to see the damn thing go around a corner, and was screwed. Couldn't bring myself to watch the whole 6+ min. Love the RR comment, you must need a frickin' dry lake bed to do a u-turn with that thing. Worst motorcycle ever (with comic book guy sarcasm). Oh, and there should be some kind of electric shock administered for bringing politics into moto-forums.

mscuddy 02-14-2008 09:10 AM

Travesty V-Rex for 2008
 
Wow, what a machine! I especially liked the jello-mould front hub, and the menacing robot face/arm/front fork swingarm thingamabob.

But why doesn't it have a luggage rack? And that tractor-seat thing is soooo passe'. I can picture Gort (the robot from "The Day the Earth Stood Still") riding one.

Klatu Nicto Barata!

sarnali2 02-14-2008 09:47 AM

See that's where you're all wrong, I think it would be a ball to ride just as anything on two wheels is fun. I wouldn't pay a nickle for it nor do I think it's anything other than an oddity with a decent motor but for a fun factor it's got to be up there with riding in a shopping cart down a steep hill. A kick in the ass, as long as you survive

Kevin_Duke 02-14-2008 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarnali2 (Post 178856)
for a fun factor it's got to be up there with riding in a shopping cart down a steep hill. A kick in the ass, as long as you survive

Yeah! I wouldn't/couldn't buy it either, but it was a blast to ride. And if I had plenty of discretionary income, maybe I would buy one. I can think of worse ways to spend $40K on a bike...

Kenneth_Moore 02-14-2008 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin_Duke (Post 178857)
Yeah! I wouldn't/couldn't buy it either, but it was a blast to ride. And if I had plenty of discretionary income, maybe I would buy one. I can think of worse ways to spend $40K on a bike...

Kevin, did you get any hints as to the production numbers for this bike and it's next iteration? Also, do you know whatever happened to the Y2K bike builder? When it first came out, I had the impression from some of the magazine articles that they were going to be produced on an ongoing basis. They apparently invested a lot of time and money in design and engineering; more than you might expect for a "one off" deal.

Buzglyd 02-14-2008 12:57 PM

And what about?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenneth_Moore (Post 178863)
Kevin, did you get any hints as to the production numbers for this bike and it's next iteration? Also, do you know whatever happened to the Y2K bike builder? When it first came out, I had the impression from some of the magazine articles that they were going to be produced on an ongoing basis. They apparently invested a lot of time and money in design and engineering; more than you might expect for a "one off" deal.

The MotoCzkyz? I've had my "lifestyle t-shirt" for years now!

seruzawa 02-14-2008 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenneth_Moore (Post 178863)
Kevin, did you get any hints as to the production numbers for this bike and it's next iteration? Also, do you know whatever happened to the Y2K bike builder? When it first came out, I had the impression from some of the magazine articles that they were going to be produced on an ongoing basis. They apparently invested a lot of time and money in design and engineering; more than you might expect for a "one off" deal.

Investment is the operative word. Some of these guys just string investors along for years. Good work if you can get it.

sarnali2 02-14-2008 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seruzawa (Post 178866)
Investment is the operative word. Some of these guys just string investors along for years. Good work if you can get it.



As soon as I sell my E-H stock I'm getting in on the ground floor with this one!!!

Kevin_Duke 02-14-2008 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenneth_Moore (Post 178863)
Kevin, did you get any hints as to the production numbers for this bike and it's next iteration? Also, do you know whatever happened to the Y2K bike builder? When it first came out, I had the impression from some of the magazine articles that they were going to be produced on an ongoing basis. They apparently invested a lot of time and money in design and engineering; more than you might expect for a "one off" deal.

Actually, you can still get your very own turbine bike for the low, low price of $175,000: MTT- Turbine SUPERBIKE, Y2K bike, Jet Bike, Jay Leno’s motorcycle

Christian Travert, the V-Rex guy, engineered the Y2K turbine bike, but he no longer has any affiliation with those guys. Oh, and they're not calling it the Y2K anymore. It's now called "Superbike."

The MotoCzysz guys are a whole 'nother story.

sfcdjevans 02-14-2008 02:31 PM

While we're not on the subject what became of the "Fisher"? The American Sport Bike....

The_AirHawk 02-14-2008 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sfcdjevans (Post 178878)
While we're not on the subject what became of the "Fisher"? The American Sport Bike....

Fischer Motor Company

Granted, they still have stuff from the '06 models on the site, but I saw a pic of the '07 (looks just like '06) awhile back.

On their "Orders" page, there's this:

Quote:

The ADVANCED 2008 Fischer MRX is coming soon. Please inquire for information. You can place your order to be one the first 2008 Owners by calling the Fischer Motor Company at (410)957-3840.

sfcdjevans 02-14-2008 02:42 PM

Guess I should have looked. Too busy taking the online PS101 class being given on an other thread.

The_AirHawk 02-14-2008 02:48 PM

I really would like to seem them pull a "Buell" - sell enough bikes with someone-else's engine in it until they've enough experience and equity in the company to finance their OWN engine design (even if someone else is building it).

I've heard no complaints about the Hyosung mill, though.

Kenneth_Moore 02-14-2008 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin_Duke (Post 178875)
Actually, you can still get your very own turbine bike for the low, low price of $175,000: [url=http://marineturbine.com/motorsports.asp]MT

Crap, they don't take PayPal. Damned if I'm just going to mail a check or hand out my Visa number!

12er 02-14-2008 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by opie (Post 178834)
You know, I actually had one of those awhile back. It was blue. They called it the GTS 1000. Mine was cooler.

Last one I saw was at the USGS 3 years ago. Had about 75k on the clock but was still in near factory shape. The GTS looked a little heavy but I thought it was cool for what it was. How did it ride? Being an alteranative front end rider myself (telelever).

chuckster243 02-14-2008 05:17 PM

This prize winning gizmo reminds me of an ardvark after it suffered a stroke. Or an armadillo suffering an identity crisis.

jr4488 02-15-2008 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckster243 (Post 178906)
This prize winning gizmo reminds me of an ardvark after it suffered a stroke. Or an armadillo suffering an identity crisis.


Wow, you guys are a rough crowd. I've been reading all of the postings so far and it doesn't look anyone appreciates the bike in the slightest.

I originally saw the Tim Cameron illustration of the V-REX a few years ago on the Internet. I was completely blown away by it. I had no idea that anyone was actually going to build one until I saw it at the Love Ride in Los Angeles a few months ago.

Being in the high-end motorcycle rental business gives me the opportunity to ride many fine motorcycles. I also ride with colleagues who have as many or more bikes than I do and we switch-off.

I enjoy riding the V-REX immensely. I am aware of the low ground clearance and I plan ahead for it when I am riding. I can do a U turn in the street easily and have done it dozens of times for photo-shoots. I like the airdam in the front because it keeps the wind off my chest when I am cruising on the freeways. The bike feels great at about 80 mph which is where I like to ride anyway.

Although I agree with some of you that some of the design elements are similar to things that have gone before, overall the V-REX ranks as one of the most original motorcycles to ever go into production. Look at the front swingarm carefully. It not a center-hub design and is completely unique. The whole bike is manufactured using aluminum castings and the frame (if you call it a frame) is unlike anything in motorcycling.

Frankly, I was staring to get board with street motorcycles. They are all either cruisers, sportbikes, touring bikes or some combination. The V-REX is a breath of fresh originality. It is completely different from anything anyone has ever seen. That's why it draws crowds where ever it goes. People just haven't seen anything like it before.

After seeing and riding the V-REX, I have the highest respect for both Tim Cameron and Christian Travert. They have created an amazing motorcycle.

Flame on...

jack

The_AirHawk 02-15-2008 07:49 PM

OK, finally got to actually read through the article - lemme say the thing looks cool as hell. I wouldn't drop 40+ G's on it, but I have to admit I wouldn't drop that kind of coin on ANY bike. (hell, that's more than I owe on my HOUSE)

You mention that the fuel tank is the frame (like the XB Buells), and it's core is a Harley engine & controls, with other Buell parts.

Are the castings made by the same firm as make the XB's?

Also, how much (if any) Harley/Buell "input" went into the design?

jr4488 02-15-2008 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_AirHawk (Post 178973)

Are the castings made by the same firm as make the XB's?

Also, how much (if any) Harley/Buell "input" went into the design?

Christian Travert told me that Harley and Buell had no input in the design of the V-REX. He decided to use a Harley engine because Harley has a program whereby OEMs can acquire Harley engines. He also wanted to build a bike that could be serviced at a Harley-Davidson dealer.

Travert has not shared with me where the castings come from. I do know that it took several months to find a vendor that could produce the big aluminum casting in the middle of the bike that includes the gas tank.

The wiring harness, foot controls, hand controls and engine are V-ROD components. The front brakes are Buell. I don't know what the back brakes are off of.

The front and rear shocks were done by a guy from France who consults for Ohlins.

The bike has a chain drive jackshaft, a belt final drive (to keep the engine in the middle of the bike) and the same final drive gear ratio as a standard V-ROD. I have had the bike to 130 mph and there was more left. I couldn't go faster because the wind blows your feet off the pegs because your legs are out in front of you.

Travertson is currently working on a new motorcycle that should be out in a year or so. They won't tell me what it is. They do say that it is a Tim Cameron design that no one has seen and that it is very fast. Based on Christian Travert's reputation and my own experiences with the V-REX, I have already placed an order for the new bike and have been promised the first production machine. I'm sure Kevin Duke and I will enjoy the new bike when it comes out...

jack

longride 02-16-2008 04:52 AM

It looks very much like the classic answer to a question that nobody asked. For the money I'll go Boss Hoss. Way cooler.

Kenneth_Moore 02-17-2008 07:58 AM

Since you asked...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jr4488 (Post 178971)
Wow, you guys are a rough crowd...

It is completely different from anything anyone has ever seen. That's why it draws crowds where ever it goes. People just haven't seen anything like it before.

Flame on...

jack

Allrighty then. If you shoved a couple of glow sticks up your nose, stuck a feather duster up your butt, painted yourself purple and walked around naked, you'd look different and draw crowds. Since I don't live in L.A., I can't conclusively say people haven't seen anything like it before, but the point remains: just because something is different does not create value in and of itself.

The benefit to going outside the norm should be to create new paradigms within a given field of endeavor. If this bike has some breakthrough technology and/or design that really does something better than what's been done before, then it's worth putting up with its faults; you get a payback. If it's just weird for the sake of being "different," it's a waste of time. Take a look at "choppers." The original choppers of the 50's and 60's had a reason to be different. The extended forks lifted the front ends for better clearance when cornering. Higher handlebars were more comfortable on the highway (for some). Modified exhausts provided better performance on bikes of that era. But, when the point of doing those things to a bike became just making them have a certain look and sound, instead of adding value, the features became deficits that the rider had to live with. Thus, the extreme chopper craze is a flash in the pan that's dying fast.

As for this particular bike, there are parts of it that I like. However, the entire front end looks completely out of whack to me. If that front end performs a LOT better than forks, the telelever, or some new center hub designs that are coming out, then I'd probably get over its weirdness pretty quickly. If it's primary contribution to the bike is making it look different, then to hell with it.

Blrfl 02-17-2008 08:03 AM

Unique? Nah.
 
Before using the word "unique" in the article, the author would be wise to search the annals of motorcycle history for the Bimota Tesi 1D (1991), Yamaha GTS1000 (1993) and Vyrus 985 C3 4V (2006, I think).

There are still a pretty good number of the Yammies on the road, too.

Zachery 02-17-2008 08:57 PM

Think I'll rent the Desmo instead Kevin
 
Very nice article, photos, and video. Bike is interesting but I would never own one unless I was Jay Leno and I needed it for my collection. Think the Confederate Bikes are cooler.

Kevin_Duke 02-19-2008 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blrfl (Post 178994)
Before using the word "unique" in the article, the author would be wise to search the annals of motorcycle history for the Bimota Tesi 1D (1991), Yamaha GTS1000 (1993) and Vyrus 985 C3 4V (2006, I think).

There are still a pretty good number of the Yammies on the road, too.

Before blindly criticizing others, an objective writer would do well to research the subject and note that the front ends of the Bimota and GTS1000 are totally different than that of the V-REX. And they should also know that the Vyrus is simply a rebadged Bimota 2D.

seruzawa 02-19-2008 01:22 PM

Heh heh
 
You used the word 'paradigm'. Middle-Management soon in your future.

No matter how I planned a ride in Utah there's no way that thing would survive it's lack of ground clearance. There simply aren't any roads that wouldn't play hell with it's undercarriage. Who wants to ride a bike you had to 'plan' that much for where you are going anyhow?

Now if I had 40K to spend on bikes I'd end up with 8-10.But if people like these things and want to belly up and pay for them who am I to rain on their parade? Go for it. I'm sure I'll see them the next time I'm at Spider's Biker Bar. Maybe next century......


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