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Administrator 11-04-2010 12:33 PM

2012 Yamaha Super Tenere Review
 

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acecycleins 11-04-2010 01:37 PM

So, does one buy a new Super 10 or a used GS?

Morbo the Destroyer 11-04-2010 01:58 PM

A very good review of a very "hot" bike.

2 thoughts:
You can probably disable the ABS by pulling it's fuse.

Why the parallel twin, when a 90 degree vee is so much better? 2 balance shafts and special timing to make it sound and feel like a vee? The vee may be longer, but it's thinner, which I'd think matters most if you're standing on the pegs.

I want one.

Buzglyd 11-04-2010 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Morbo the Destroyer (Post 251683)
A very good review of a very "hot" bike.

2 thoughts:
You can probably disable the ABS by pulling it's fuse.

Why the parallel twin, when a 90 degree vee is so much better? 2 balance shafts and special timing to make it sound and feel like a vee? The vee may be longer, but it's thinner, which I'd think matters most if you're standing on the pegs.

I want one.

A 90 degree V would have that front exhaust pipe really close to the ground.

The_AirHawk 11-04-2010 02:50 PM

That's a Big Damn Bike, Danger!

Good writeup, very informative. Will somebody please buy me one of these for my 40th? Perhaps all the MO-Fos here can pool their pennies in a praypal donation to help defray the cost of my new Soupa'-T......

SpeedwayRN 11-04-2010 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by acecycleins (Post 251682)
So, does one buy a new Super 10 or a used GS?

The Yami will most likely be more reliable than the BMW and if nothing else cheaper to maintain

12er 11-04-2010 05:02 PM

I'd go with a used GS. No radiator and used will be all kitted out already. For some reason this thing isnt doing it for me. I keep seeing that side mounted radiator with a root sticking out of it. Add in the fork dive, linked brakes, always on ABS and the always biggie with Yamaha, CASH UP FRONT.

mscuddy 11-04-2010 05:15 PM

Remember when they use to modify 650 twin Yamahas for dirt track by making them a 270 degree motor? One fires right after the other, like a big single. Betcha didn't know that, did ya?

And Cobb, I tried to send you an IM about the E ATK's but your profile is non-existant in the electronic mess that is MO. What happened?

Kevin_Duke 11-04-2010 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Morbo the Destroyer (Post 251683)
A very good review of a very "hot" bike.

2 thoughts:
You can probably disable the ABS by pulling it's fuse.

Why the parallel twin, when a 90 degree vee is so much better? 2 balance shafts and special timing to make it sound and feel like a vee? The vee may be longer, but it's thinner, which I'd think matters most if you're standing on the pegs.

I want one.

A V-Twin is also costlier to build (2 cylinder heads, cams, etc), and with one cylinder so far rearward, it's difficult to get the necessary weight on the front wheel with a long-travel front suspension. Build a narrow-angle Vee and you'll again need balancers. And the Tenere has a history with inline-Twins, and it isn't too wide between your feet.

Jeff Cobb 11-04-2010 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mscuddy (Post 251695)
Remember when they use to modify 650 twin Yamahas for dirt track by making them a 270 degree motor? One fires right after the other, like a big single. Betcha didn't know that, did ya?

And Cobb, I tried to send you an IM about the E ATK's but your profile is non-existant in the electronic mess that is MO. What happened?

Yes I did know about Twingles.

I don't know about the PM issue though. Didn't it work last time? Maybe they threw an electronic MOnkey wrench in somewhere? :)

Morbo the Destroyer 11-05-2010 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Cobb (Post 251699)
Yes I did know about Twingles.

I don't know about the PM issue though. Didn't it work last time? Maybe they threw an electronic MOnkey wrench in somewhere? :)

Where I come from, a "Twingle" is a Puch (sold in the US as a Sears) 2-stroke that has 2 pistons and one connecting rod. One piston pulls in fuel and air, the other compresses and fires the mix. A guy had one at the FL C2C ride.

Here's a good article on them:

Puch 250 twingle engine « Puch250′s Weblog

The_AirHawk 11-05-2010 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Morbo the Destroyer (Post 251712)
Where I come from, a "Twingle" is a Puch (sold in the US as a Sears) 2-stroke that has 2 pistons and one connecting rod. One piston pulls in fuel and air, the other compresses and fires the mix. A guy had one at the FL C2C ride.

Here's a good article on them:

Puch 250 twingle engine « Puch250′s Weblog

Little-known fact: Puch originally made their name (and early fortune!) in the late-1800's when Svenbjord Puch assisted the Canadian Beer-companies in developing a sporting-venue that would allow agressive combatants to display their pugilistic-skills.

As "boxing" had recently been copyrighted by the United States Beer-companies, the companies were forced into a one-upmanship; with their Gladatorial Contestants going at one-another en-masse atop frozen lakes and millponds. And, to further-enhance the percieved danger-factor, they required them to balance themselves upon sharpened knives, turned edgewise to the ice; and then provided each with slender clubs.

To enhance the supposed-deadliness of this Bloodsport, it was decided to add projectile-weaponry to the mix, propelled by the clubs, making it not immediately-lethal to the "players".

This is where Puch came-in: using the latest Abacus-aided-design, he developed a projectile that was SO superior in performance-characteristics that it carries-on today, little-changed since its inception. Although many companies now produce these projectiles, they ALL carry the name "Puck" - in honor of the man that invented them.

Morbo the Destroyer 11-05-2010 10:24 AM

"required them to balance themselves upon sharpened knives, turned edgewise to the ice; and then provided each with slender clubs"

Just another day on the MO Forums.

mscuddy 11-05-2010 10:34 AM

If you want to know the whole Puch history, look at VMX issue 38, it's all there...by yours truly.

sarnali2 11-05-2010 10:43 AM

The Adventure bike class is definitely heating up, If I was an attention grabbing sluut I would point out that once again I seem to be a trend setter around here bouncing around on my mighty GS......besides Seruzawa of course with the Tiger and ol' Ken what's his face with the Pee-Strom....

For my money I think I'd get the new 800 Tiger however like 12'r pointed out a water cooled Trailie has a certian built in limitation....

Kevin_Duke 11-05-2010 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Morbo the Destroyer (Post 251712)
Where I come from, a "Twingle" is a Puch (sold in the US as a Sears) 2-stroke that has 2 pistons and one connecting rod. One piston pulls in fuel and air, the other compresses and fires the mix. A guy had one at the FL C2C ride.

Here's a good article on them:

Puch 250 twingle engine « Puch250′s Weblog

I'm surprised I hadn't heard of that one - what a wacky engine! Its audacity is perhaps only exceeded by the Megola.

The_AirHawk 11-05-2010 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sarnali2 (Post 251739)
The Adventure bike class is definitely heating up, If I was an attention grabbing sluut I would point out that once again I seem to be a trend setter around here bouncing around on my mighty GS......besides Seruzawa of course with the Tiger and ol' Ken what's his face with the Pee-Strom....

For my money I think I'd get the new 800 Tiger however like 12'r pointed out a water cooled Trailie has a certian built in limitation....

Or Pulley with th' Uly.....

sarnali2 11-05-2010 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The_AirHawk (Post 251742)
Or Pulley with th' Uly.....


You're absolutely right and please forgive me for not including him, memory loss seems to be a prominent component of my advancing dementia.....

Dr_Sprocket 11-05-2010 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The_AirHawk (Post 251742)
Or Pulley with th' Uly.....

Some lead, others follow. (Thanks for the prop!)

tremor38 11-05-2010 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Administrator (Post 251681)
Original Article:
<a href="http://www.motorcycle.com//manufacturer/yamaha/2012-yamaha-super-tenere-review-90115.html">2012 Yamaha Super Tenere Review</a>

Please discuss the Motorcycle.com article 2012 Yamaha Super Tenere Review in our Motorcycle Forums below. Use the reply button to let others know your comments or feedback on the article. Constructive criticism is always appreciated, along with your thoughts and personal opinions on the bikes and products we have tested.

I'd be careful about borrowing performance figures from the MCN test. I saw the numbers and they are suspect at best. There was an article in a Dutch magazine that showed the Tenere out outperforming the GS in most every performance category, including roll-on performance.

I'm wondering if maybe MCN was in TC mode 1 (default after engine start-up) or maybe this was a top gear roll-on, were the Tenere has a true overdrive. There is no way the roll-on times could have such a split...think about it. I think any reference to their numbers on this bike should be ignored. Here are the numbers from the Dutch magazine. Compare them with MCN and you'll see something wrong.

The dyno figures come close, but the acceleration is a totally different story. Roll-on is only separated by one tenth of a second, but the Tenere is wins that as well. Traction control should be turned-off for acceleration tests. I think MCN failed to do that do to that either by an honest mistake.....or. They seem to be a bit biased when its a euro bike vs Japanese....just saying.

Numbers from left to right are HP, 0-100kph acceleration, 50-150kph roll-on, top speed, wet weight, braking rate (M/s2) and price. It was a mult bike test, but the XTZ is the Super Tenere and the GSA is the BMW. Others tested were the Multi Strada and the Varadero. Doesn't this make more sense?

GSA 113 4.1 s 8.2 215 291 9.35 21.740
MUL 147 3.3 s 7.1 245 238 9.32 21.300
VAR 091 4.3 s 8.3 203 301 9.09 14.490
XTZ 104 3.8 s 8.2 221 276 10.02 16.999

pplassm 11-06-2010 09:36 AM

I understand there is a trick that will disable the ABS. There's a youtube video about it. IIRC, it was pretty simple.

Kevin_Duke 11-06-2010 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tremor38 (Post 251762)
I'd be careful about borrowing performance figures from the MCN test. I saw the numbers and they are suspect at best. There was an article in a Dutch magazine that showed the Tenere out outperforming the GS in most every performance category, including roll-on performance.

So MCN's #s are automatically suspect bcuz another mag says something else? Couldn't the unnamed Dutch mag's #s be suspect?

Anyway, the dyno numbers are fairly close to MCN's, with a 9-hp advantage to the Beemer, so that's consistent enough.

A clue to a difference is the weights of the Dutch bikes, with the GS scaling in 30-some-lbs heavier - this and the "GSA" designation (and the price) indicates the GS Adventure model was used, not the standard GS. A GSA's taller suspension and heavier weight would definitely hurt the 0-100kph time, and also its top speed.

And maybe the Dutch forgot to shut off off the GSA's TC!

So, apples and oranges. Or at least nothing conclusive. But thanks for the data - more info is better!

Kevin_Duke 11-06-2010 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by pplassm (Post 251765)
I understand there is a trick that will disable the ABS. There's a youtube video about it. IIRC, it was pretty simple.

Go, Mongo! I checked out The Google and found the trick. Just put the Tenere on its centerstand and run the bike in gear for a bit. This creates an error for the ABS system, so it shuts itself off! An ABS error code light illuminates on the instruments, and a rider is now free to lock up and slide the back tire with impunity!

Apparently this internet thing is good for more than just porn. ;)

Morbo the Destroyer 11-06-2010 05:25 PM

The concern about HP and speeds kinda points to the real mission of these bikes: pavement. Who needs 140 hp in loose gravel or sand?

Duken4evr 11-07-2010 03:16 PM

I still prefer a Triumph Tiger over either the BMW or the new Yamaha. More power, cool sound, costs less.

I don't see much press anymore on the redesigned Tiger. I guess it is unchanged, but it did not make that big a splash when it first arrived. Damn near bought one instead of my FZ1, but the FZ was 5K cheaper (on sale). Maybe next time :)

acecycleins 11-07-2010 04:51 PM

Ok, I've been putting thought into this for a week. If you have the 2006 955i Tiger vs this bike- which one?
I keep thinking Tiger here. Power, weight and the triple. I like the Super 10, but maybe they have to eek through a season or two and refine it.
But I sure like the new Tiger 800xc. What's the price of that thing going to be again?

Kevin_Duke 11-08-2010 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by acecycleins (Post 251793)
Ok, I've been putting thought into this for a week. If you have the 2006 955i Tiger vs this bike- which one?
I keep thinking Tiger here. Power, weight and the triple.

The Tenere's suspension is vastly superior to the old Tiger's, and its engine puts down power better than the Trumpet's. The Tiger is off-road capable; the Tenere is off-road eager.

Duken4evr 11-09-2010 06:14 AM

Where does the big KTM fit in all this? Those things rock off road.

We need a comparo test, with shots depicting off road mayhem in jaw dropping pretty places. I will happy to be a guest tester and provide the trails.

My standard issue jaw dropping pretty place off road photo, for your perusal. 12,000 feet high on top of Red Cone. Hmm. Picture the boys up here on their big GS bikes. It would be some work to get a big bike up there, but if were not my machine I was beating the crap out of, I could do it :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ConeinSnow.jpg

The_AirHawk 11-09-2010 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Duken4evr (Post 251855)
Where does the big KTM fit in all this? Those things rock off road.

We need a comparo test, with shots depicting off road mayhem in jaw dropping pretty places. I will happy to be a guest tester and provide the trails.

My standard issue jaw dropping pretty place off road photo, for your perusal. 12,000 feet high on top of Red Cone. Hmm. Picture the boys up here on their big GS bikes. It would be some work to get a big bike up there, but if were not my machine I was beating the crap out of, I could do it :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ConeinSnow.jpg

What's all that "white stuff" on the ground - sugar-sand?

Kevin_Duke 11-09-2010 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Duken4evr (Post 251855)
Where does the big KTM fit in all this? Those things rock off road.

We need a comparo test, with shots depicting off road mayhem in jaw dropping pretty places. I will happy to be a guest tester and provide the trails.

That's a good question. The KTM would fare very well off-road, but it would suffer a bit in street and highway comfort. I'd love to do this comparo, but KTM has a limited budget in the U.S. and often can't supply us with test bikes. But with the Tenere no arriving till spring, maybe we coiuld snag a Katoom by then...

Doktor 11-09-2010 12:27 PM

You guys hosed the math on the 270 degree crankshaft config. Either Cylinder #2 fires 270 degrees after Cyl #1 or 630 degrees later (270 + 360 or one crankshaft revolution)

With a 270 degree crank parallel twin, there's just isn't anyway to get piston #2 at TDC 180 degrees after piston #1, well, unless you have serious problems.

Kevin_Duke 11-12-2010 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Doktor (Post 251867)
You guys hosed the math on the 270 degree crankshaft config. Either Cylinder #2 fires 270 degrees after Cyl #1 or 630 degrees later (270 + 360 or one crankshaft revolution)

With a 270 degree crank parallel twin, there's just isn't anyway to get piston #2 at TDC 180 degrees after piston #1, well, unless you have serious problems.

Good eye, Dok! You win some sort of (figurative) prize!

I finally got confirmation from Yamaha about this. I misread their Powerpoint presentation, mistaking "firing order" for "firing intervals." Here is the revised text you'll see when my tech guys can get to it:

It uses a 270-degree crankpin offset, which has cylinder 2 firing 270 degrees after cylinder 1, then cylinder 1 firing again 450 degrees later. This uneven firing order is said to improve a tire’s grip on slippery surfaces and also has the side benefit of creating an exhaust note very similar to that of a V-Twin.

Thanks for the edit, and sorry about the slip-up!


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