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mscuddy 05-28-2009 02:03 PM

Hey, put some knobbies on it and...ZHAZAM! Dirt-Tourer-Juggernaught.

Since it is one of the most striking examples of form-following-function I'm positive with a good set of knobbies, it's Blackwater material for sure!

Now where to put the route sheet? No matter, the Viceroy makes its own routes.

longride 05-28-2009 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin_Duke (Post 214854)
Mixing wet and dry weights is pointless. Here are wet weights.

Vision: 890 (from a competitor's test)
Ultra: 889 (OEM sourced)
Wing: 895-928 (OEM sourced)

I still fail to see how this proves your statement:

"The Vision is among the lightest big-rid tourers thanks, in part, to its use of aluminum (not steel!) for its frame structure."

So it's 5 lbs lighter than the Wing, and is heavier than the Ultra, and is certainly heavier than the BMW, which was forgotten about, so how does that make it among the lightest anything? It is just as heavy, or heavier than all of them except the Honda. I find it funny that the two heaviest(the Honda and Vision) of the four have that weight saving aluminum frame so they aren't REALLY heavy. It's also a gas that Victory's own site claims a weight of 882 for the Vision DRY, yet oil and a full tank somehow only add 8 lbs? OK. I guess gas and oil are lighter in the Victory than in the other bikes.

Here are the specs I found on the Victory:

2009 Victory Vision 10th Anniversary Specifications and Price - Motorcycle USA

seruzawa 05-28-2009 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by longride (Post 214861)
I still fail to see how this proves your statement:

"The Vision is among the lightest big-rid tourers thanks, in part, to its use of aluminum (not steel!) for its frame structure."

So it's 5 lbs lighter than the Wing, and is heavier than the Ultra, and is certainly heavier than the BMW, which was forgotten about, so how does that make it among the lightest anything? It is just as heavy, or heavier than all of them except the Honda. I find it funny that the two heaviest(the Honda and Vision) of the four have that weight saving aluminum frame so they aren't REALLY heavy. It's also a gas that Victory's own site claims a weight of 882 for the Vision DRY, yet oil and a full tank somehow only add 8 lbs? OK. I guess gas and oil are lighter in the Victory than in the other bikes.

Here are the specs I found on the Victory:

2009 Victory Vision 10th Anniversary Specifications and Price - Motorcycle USA

Screw it. I say we put some CR500 engines in some DRZ400SM frames and go have a ball trolling for Supersports on the Angeles Crest.

SmokeU 05-28-2009 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by seruzawa (Post 214872)
Screw it. I say we put some CR500 engines in some DRZ400SM frames and go have a ball trolling for Supersports on the Angeles Crest.


HERE HERE!!!

mscuddy 05-28-2009 03:06 PM

I usta do that all the time on a street legal YZ490...heh heh, knobbies and all.

seruzawa 05-28-2009 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mscuddy (Post 214875)
I usta do that all the time on a street legal YZ490...heh heh, knobbies and all.

Put on some 17" rims and let's go have fun with the literbikes. You know, I'd forgotten that you could get a shtonking quick bike pretty cheaply back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth and 2-strokes were king. If the auto engineers work out the emissions problems on 2-stroke engines, a real possibility, those days might come back with 300lb bikes making over 100hp. I'm all for it. Bigger is not better.

fonzie 05-28-2009 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by seruzawa (Post 214876)
Bigger is not better.


Bigger is better wehn you realize that you need two cakes on your birthday to hold all the candles! But dreaming is fun too! :)

I'll take a goldwing with chap warmers and a motard stuffed in the trunk any day!

Kevin_Duke 05-31-2009 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by longride (Post 214861)
I still fail to see how this proves your statement:

"The Vision is among the lightest big-rid tourers thanks, in part, to its use of aluminum (not steel!) for its frame structure."

So it's 5 lbs lighter than the Wing, and is heavier than the Ultra, and is certainly heavier than the BMW, which was forgotten about, so how does that make it among the lightest anything? It is just as heavy, or heavier than all of them except the Honda. I find it funny that the two heaviest(the Honda and Vision) of the four have that weight saving aluminum frame so they aren't REALLY heavy. It's also a gas that Victory's own site claims a weight of 882 for the Vision DRY, yet oil and a full tank somehow only add 8 lbs? OK. I guess gas and oil are lighter in the Victory than in the other bikes.

Here are the specs I found on the Victory:

2009 Victory Vision 10th Anniversary Specifications and Price - Motorcycle USA

I had two points:
1. You had weight figures that weren't accurate or directly comparable.
2. Singling out the Vision for being too heavy is misguided, as it doesn't really weigh any more than its competitors. Plus, it has more features (and more power) than the Harley, which naturally add up to more weight.

If you want all the doo-dads and hee-haws and farkles on a big touring bike, it's going to weigh a lot - no matter who manufactures it. If you don't want a heavy bike, don't expect to be happy shopping in the luxo-touring segment.

longride 05-31-2009 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin_Duke (Post 215108)
I had two points:
1. You had weight figures that weren't accurate or directly comparable.
2. Singling out the Vision for being too heavy is misguided, as it doesn't really weigh any more than its competitors. Plus, it has more features (and more power) than the Harley, which naturally add up to more weight.

If you want all the doo-dads and hee-haws and farkles on a big touring bike, it's going to weigh a lot - no matter who manufactures it. If you don't want a heavy bike, don't expect to be happy shopping in the luxo-touring segment.

Your 'point' that I addressed was your quote that the Victory was 'among the lightest of the big-rig tourers'. The fact remains that it isn't among the lightest, and in fact is heavier than most of them. I never singled out anything about the Victory. I did single out your 'point', which was incorrect. My weight figures were plenty accurate. They just weren't 'your' figures, which still proved the Victory was heavier than the rest. I'm not sure why you even said what you did.

Kevin_Duke 06-01-2009 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by longride (Post 215111)
Your 'point' that I addressed was your quote that the Victory was 'among the lightest of the big-rig tourers'. The fact remains that it isn't among the lightest, and in fact is heavier than most of them. I never singled out anything about the Victory. I did single out your 'point', which was incorrect. My weight figures were plenty accurate. They just weren't 'your' figures, which still proved the Victory was heavier than the rest. I'm not sure why you even said what you did.

Other than the Beemer, they all weigh within a percent or two. You were bagging on the Vision's weight. I believed that to be unfair.


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