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seruzawa 07-22-2009 11:33 AM

Civil rights
 
American Thinker: America's Three Worst Presidents

Interesting read on LBJ and the anti-Civil Rights Democrats.

longride 07-22-2009 11:52 AM

You are nuts! The Republicans created all the race problems, and the Democrats fixed them all. At least that is what Ken said, and I believe him.

Kenneth_Moore 07-22-2009 12:35 PM

I envy your time for enjoying your intellectual pursuits. You should enroll in some Political Science classes in a nearby university, just so you can annoy the crap out of the profs.

Buzglyd 07-22-2009 12:38 PM

Why do you think I majored in Poli Sci in college Ken? I drove all the wacko-lefty profs nuts.

Or I could have been drunk. I can't remember.

longride 07-22-2009 12:48 PM

Hey Ken, 'The Messiah' is going to be on tonight to pitch how he is going to 'fix' health care. You need to watch to get lots of head nodding in today, and maybe you can give a pep talk to your neighbors and fellow workers. If he fixes health care like he fixed up the economy, we are in for a real treat! Nothing like spending ANOTHER trillon dollars on a complete clusterf&ck.

seruzawa 07-22-2009 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenneth_Moore (Post 219493)
I envy your time for enjoying your intellectual pursuits. You should enroll in some Political Science classes in a nearby university, just so you can annoy the crap out of the profs.

Been there done that.

seruzawa 07-22-2009 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by longride (Post 219499)
Hey Ken, 'The Messiah' is going to be on tonight to pitch how he is going to 'fix' health care. You need to watch to get lots of head nodding in today, and maybe you can give a pep talk to your neighbors and fellow workers. If he fixes health care like he fixed up the economy, we are in for a real treat! Nothing like spending ANOTHER trillon dollars on a complete clusterf&ck.

Well, since O-boy didn't write the Porkulus Bill and didn't know what was in it when he demanded it's passage it stands to reason that he doesn't have clue what's in the Govt Deathcare Bill. Well, he admitted that today. But he knows we need it though he doesn't know what's in it. (And they called Bush an idiot).

But I do know some of it. Some of the features include:

You are required to have healthcare insurance and the Fed will have the power to take the premiums for it from your bank account whether you like it or not.

If you lose you present job you must go on Govt Deathcare.

If you need to change your present policy you must go on Govt Deathcare.

You medical records will be owned by the Fed govt.

You cannot refuse mental health treatment, even Shock Treatment or a Lobotomy if a certified shrink says you need one.

Treatment is rationed on a "cost effectiveness" basis. The elderly who are retired thus don't "need" hip replacements or corneas. Or dialysis.

I worked for the DoD for 10 years and worked as an engineering contractor for another 10. Only a fool wants the govt to manage healthcare. Heck, anyone who ever tried to get a building permit or a driver's license should already know this.

Buzglyd 07-22-2009 01:30 PM

Don't forget, illegal aliens will not be required to purchase health insurance but will still receive free care under the gov't system.

Kenneth_Moore 07-22-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by longride (Post 219499)
Hey Ken, 'The Messiah' is going to be on tonight to pitch how he is going to 'fix' health care. You need to watch to get lots of head nodding in today, and maybe you can give a pep talk to your neighbors and fellow workers. If he fixes health care like he fixed up the economy, we are in for a real treat! Nothing like spending ANOTHER trillon dollars on a complete clusterf&ck.

If he's stilll on when I get home at 9:00 from slaving away at GE, I'll watch.

I know people are terrified by the idea of uncaring bureaucracies, complicated paperwork, and long waits for routine care. I just can't figure out why, since that's the norm today. Someday over a beer I'll tell you how our wonderful private insurance system killed my son's Mom years before her time.

acecycleins 07-22-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzglyd (Post 219495)
Why do you think I majored in Poli Sci in college Ken? I drove all the wacko-lefty profs nuts.

Or I could have been drunk. I can't remember.

I'm going with drunk. I loved messing with the lib profs at GA State. They were an easier target than the community college I started out in. Those guys at community college taught and still had second jobs- they were a bit cagey when messed with.

Kenneth_Moore 07-22-2009 02:32 PM

[QUOTE=seruzawa;219504]

I have no intention of defending Obama, but come on, what we have today is CRAP. Everybody hated it and said so until Obama started trying to change it. Why don't the Pubes step up with their own plan, they act like we've got this wonderful system now.

But I do know some of it. Some of the features include:

You are required to have healthcare insurance and the Fed will have the power to take the premiums for it from your bank account whether you like it or not.

The Feds have been taking health insurance form my paycheck since the day I started working. Yours too. Look at your paystub.

If you lose you present job you must go on Govt Deathcare.
It would be better than what you get today: NOTHING.

If you need to change your present policy you must go on Govt Deathcare.

You medical records will be owned by the Fed govt.
Did you think your medical records were private now? Really??

You cannot refuse mental health treatment, even Shock Treatment or a Lobotomy if a certified shrink says you need one.

Ever heard of the Baker Act? This is nothing new.

Treatment is rationed on a "cost effectiveness" basis. The elderly who are retired thus don't "need" hip replacements or corneas. Or dialysis.

The insurance companies do this every day now.

I worked for the DoD for 10 years and worked as an engineering contractor for another 10. Only a fool wants the govt to manage healthcare. Heck, anyone who ever tried to get a building permit or a driver's license should already know this.

As if the private insurance companies have done a swell job. It's a f'd up system, it needs to be changed. Maybe Obamacare isn't the answer, but what we have sucks.

Buzglyd 07-22-2009 02:53 PM

Ken, you've made some valid points about the current system however, the one big difference is that any gov't run system will FORBID people from paying out of pocket for care.

Canadians cross the border all the time to pay for care out-of-pocket that is denied them. They are not allowed to pay their own doctors in cash.

Don't forget the Canadian system was originally set up as a public/private system. Funny how the private part went away.

seruzawa 07-22-2009 03:07 PM

[QUOTE=Kenneth_Moore;219516]
Quote:

Originally Posted by seruzawa (Post 219504)

I have no intention of defending Obama, but come on, what we have today is CRAP. Everybody hated it and said so until Obama started trying to change it. Why don't the Pubes step up with their own plan, they act like we've got this wonderful system now.

You said before that thing couldn't possibly be worse than they were under Bush. You were wrong about that. It had already been much worse than Bush under Nixon, LBJ and Carter.

One thing is sure because it has never failed. Give the Govt complete control of health care and they will wreck it just like they've wrecked just about every other social area they have controlled.

But what are we talking about here? Govt has stuck its nose deeper and deeper in healthcare already and each time it's gotten worse. The funny thing is that I hear about all these horrible things on the news, yet I know any number of people who have gotten very ill who didn't have insurance and they all got the treatment they needed. I've come to realize that most of these horror stories are simply completely made up. That's right. These horror stories you see on the news are usually simply actors reading a script. It's lies just like the totalitarians have always used to control public opinion.

I'm not supporting the idea of even more power being given to bureaucrats based on news stories, especially when the govt simply screws it up worse in the end. I'm sorry if you drank the Govt Kool-Aid, but that's not my fault.

Here's the BIG CLUE: Congress has already exempted themselves from the system they are trying to force on us.

Kenneth_Moore 07-22-2009 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzglyd (Post 219519)
Ken, you've made some valid points about the current system however, the one big difference is that any gov't run system will FORBID people from paying out of pocket for care.

Canadians cross the border all the time to pay for care out-of-pocket that is denied them. They are not allowed to pay their own doctors in cash.

Don't forget the Canadian system was originally set up as a public/private system. Funny how the private part went away.

Honestly, I don't really like Obamacare, at least what I've heard about it. But the system we have now is so bizzare. Like: why the hell is medical insurance linked to employment? Couldn't the doctors and hospitals offer some sort of community-based plan? Maybe the government shouldn't run it, but do we really need huge, for profit insurance companies adding billions of overhead?

Kenneth_Moore 07-22-2009 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenneth_Moore (Post 219516)

These horror stories you see on the news are usually simply actors reading a script. It's lies just like the totalitarians have always used to control public opinion.

Watching Kristine die while the insurance companies, Drs and hospitals played games with money wasn't actors reading scripts.

seruzawa 07-22-2009 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by seruzawa (Post 219521)

Watching Kristine die while the insurance companies, Drs and hospitals played games with money wasn't actors reading scripts.

Yeah. That is sad.

But, buck up. Under Federal Healthcare EVERYONE will start treatment too late.

Buzglyd 07-22-2009 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenneth_Moore (Post 219522)
Honestly, I don't really like Obamacare, at least what I've heard about it. But the system we have now is so bizzare. Like: why the hell is medical insurance linked to employment? Couldn't the doctors and hospitals offer some sort of community-based plan? Maybe the government shouldn't run it, but do we really need huge, for profit insurance companies adding billions of overhead?

I don't think it should be linked to employment either but that was just another gov't screwup messing with the tax code.

We should just purchase it like we do car insurance. You pay for the cheap things yourself and your insurance covers you if you drive it into a wall.

This whole insurance adding overhead thing is a ruse. Remember, if you get really injured, your insurance will payout far more than you ever paid in. They've got to make some profit to assume the risk.

You ever notice that all these "crisis" are always in areas where there is huge gov't involvement?

Drs. will leave the system in droves if this passes. Would you spend all that money and time in medical school if you made less than a bus driver?

Buzglyd 07-22-2009 03:17 PM

[QUOTE=seruzawa;219524]
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Originally Posted by Kenneth_Moore (Post 219523)

Yeah. That is sad.

But, buck up. Under Federal Healthcare EVERYONE will start treatment too late.

Ken I feel for you and the boy, however, if you had walked into that treatment with a wad of cash it would have trumped everything.

That will land you in jail under the new system.

You'd be amazed how many Drs have set up shop in Mexico already. It makes me glad I live near the border because I'll be driving down there for care with my checkbook (and maybe an AK47).

mscuddy 07-22-2009 07:00 PM

What about my Kaiser healthcare? What will all the Phiilippinos do? This could be bad, thousands of Philippinos out of work, clogging up the roads with garishly painted Jeepnys!

longride 07-22-2009 07:12 PM

"I have no intention of defending Obama,...."

And then comes 10,000 words............defending Obama.

"Why don't the Pubes step up with their own plan,..."

Because they would have a better chance of sneaking an ice cube into Hell than getting anything passed in Congress. Maybe you noticed Obama 'The Messiah' basically told them all the piss off not long ago. So they have a much better stake in staying out of his f*ck ups and letting him hang himself. They are just giving him the rope at this point.

seruzawa 07-22-2009 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by seruzawa (Post 219524)

Ken I feel for you and the boy, however, if you had walked into that treatment with a wad of cash it would have trumped everything.

That will land you in jail under the new system.

You'd be amazed how many Drs have set up shop in Mexico already. It makes me glad I live near the border because I'll be driving down there for care with my checkbook (and maybe an AK47).

The Dems are basically proposing to eventually draft all heal thcare workers into a nationalized system, set their pay and everything else and criminalize private care. I don't know for sure, but didn't we fight a Civil War already over slavery? Does it frighten anyone else besides me that the Congress has become so overbearing and arrogant that they think they can make millions of people into govt workers against their will? Are Americans willing to approve such oppression now if they are given nothing more than false promise of freebies? I guess so. After all the Canadians didn't say boo when their govt turned their health care workers into servants. But then a population that will placidly accept the murders of the unborn will probably accept any evil.... and call it good.

Has anyone yet thought that maybe if doctors are given pay scales that are no better than plumbers or engineers that there will be no reason to go to the trouble to be a doctor? Will we then have to force people to become doctors like a sort of draft for military service? does anyone in Congress ever try to think beyond the immediate? Doesn't sound like it.

schizuki 07-23-2009 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by seruzawa (Post 219504)
Why don't the [sophomoric euphemism for "Republican" deleted] step up with their own plan

Um... because the government has no f***ing business being involved in health care at all?

schizuki 07-23-2009 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by seruzawa (Post 219555)
Has anyone yet thought that maybe if doctors are given pay scales that are no better than plumbers or engineers that there will be no reason to go to the trouble to be a doctor? Will we then have to force people to become doctors like a sort of draft for military service? does anyone in Congress ever try to think beyond the immediate? Doesn't sound like it.

Liberals never think of consequences. They only care about good intentions.

The_AirHawk 07-23-2009 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by schizuki (Post 219649)
Liberals never think of consequences. They only care about good intentions.

And since we MUST separate Church and State, it matters little what the Road to Hell is asphalted with..........

Kenneth_Moore 07-23-2009 02:22 PM

I just heard from El Rushbo that with the new health care plan, the Dems are going to castrate all males over the age of 14, after they've extracted sufficient sperm to use in their man/animal genetic hybrid experiments. Women from 12 to 24 are going to be rounded up and put into "baby farms" where a super potent soldier race will be created, while excess stem cells are harvested to keep Ted Kennedy and other aging liberal politicos alive virtually forever.

THE MADNESS MUST STOP!!!!

The_AirHawk 07-23-2009 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenneth_Moore (Post 219663)
excess stem cells are harvested to keep Ted Kennedy and other aging liberal politicos alive virtually forever.

Oh, well that's good. One less thing to worry about.

schizuki 07-23-2009 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenneth_Moore (Post 219663)
I just heard from El Rushbo that with the new health care plan, the Dems are going to castrate all males over the age of 14, after they've extracted sufficient sperm to use in their man/animal genetic hybrid experiments. Women from 12 to 24 are going to be rounded up and put into "baby farms" where a super potent soldier race will be created, while excess stem cells are harvested to keep Ted Kennedy and other aging liberal politicos alive virtually forever.

Are you sure that Rush wasn't quoting Obama? Because he hasn't read the bill either.

Kenneth_Moore 07-23-2009 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by schizuki (Post 219668)
Are you sure that Rush wasn't quoting Obama? Because he hasn't read the bill either.

This is all hush-hush insider information available only to those who have paid subscriptions to Rushbo's website. I really shouldn't have said anything at all....keep it on the down-low, ok?

mscuddy 07-23-2009 05:39 PM

I think after reviewing the facts with Acorn and his new policy on minorities & university admissions, this administration will go down in history as one of the most crooked ever to occupy the White House.

There's just too many "smoking guns" that the liberal media chooses to ignore. Since we were about to revolt after the last boob who occupied the White House fouled things up, the Dems had to think quick, and put a black face on the same old sh!t. He's a one worlder, a CFR man and in tight with the Bilderburg folks, just like all his financiers are (Geo Soros, Rockafeller, et.al.) And after reading some of the unbelievable crap his handlers spew out, this has become (or is about to) a tipping point for the future of the United States as we knew it.

I had hoped different, since divorcing myself from the Republican party, that indeed Obama would shake things up, and put us back on the right track. That we needed an outsider to right the wrongs that 30 years of crooks have foisted on the USA. But I was wrong. He's just another suit spewing the agenda of Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi.

God help us.

seruzawa 07-23-2009 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by schizuki (Post 219668)
Are you sure that Rush wasn't quoting Obama? Because he hasn't read the bill either.

I'm not sure why Ken keeps bringing up Rush Limbaugh. I don't think anyone here listens to him or gives a crap what he thinks. He was entertaining when clinton was Prez but he spent so many years making excuses for Bush's liberal social policies that he can KMA.

The_AirHawk 07-23-2009 07:38 PM

So, when did a two-bit talkshow host become the "Leader" of the Republican Party? I've got one of those ultra-lefty former-schoolteacher/Products of the Establishment at work that is totally insistent on the "Fact" that Rush is the DeFacto Voice of The GOP.

Not that I give a shyte one way or the other (as I think Rush is nothing but an ignorant loudmouth - an amusing loudmouth, but a loudmouth), but he seems to believe that if he can prove that factoid, it'll hasten the "downfall" of all Right-Wingers and usher in the Left Age Demotopia.....

I didn't even think Rush was all that "clever" during the Clinton era. I mean, HELL - I got in some good "zingers" at Billy-boy's expense. But then, I could look-around me at the time and see the results of a dozen-years of the Clinton Governorship. Like stealing candy from a baby, it was.

schizuki 07-24-2009 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by seruzawa (Post 219682)
I'm not sure why Ken keeps bringing up Rush Limbaugh.

Lefties think anybody to the right of Che Guevara must be an ignorant sheep-person who needs to be led by an arrogant narcissist in love with the sound of his own voice. It's called "projection."

longride 07-24-2009 04:29 AM

"I'm not sure why Ken keeps bringing up Rush Limbaugh."

Becuase his Messiah Obamalama is looking like an ass very quickly and being a Liberal, he needs a whipping boy to distract our attention. Funny how he never brings up Olbermann, who is at least 10 times worse than any other talking head. Last I heard Limbaugh never even ran for office. Why worry about what he says?

schizuki 07-24-2009 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by longride (Post 219691)
Funny how he never brings up Olbermann, who is at least 10 times worse than any other talking head.

Rush Limbaugh - vaudeville act, often cuts to the quick of an issue, but too dull (to me) to listen to for more than five minutes.

Bill O'Reilly - populist blowhard; bombastic and paternalist.

Keith Olbermann - full-blown batsh** crazy, a fraud (pathetically tosses around his fictional "Ivy League" education), described perfectly by Aussie blogger Tim Blair as "A Fifties housewife coming down from a Valium bender ("The pot roast! THE POT ROAST!)" An embarrassment to himself and anyone who watches him.

The_AirHawk 07-24-2009 03:21 PM

I don't know if I'll make it home tonight - but I know I can Swim; under the Tahitian Moon................


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