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Fugger 03-26-2003 07:18 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
First post!



Kroil is the solution you seek. Look for it at specialty hardware dealers. You might find it at a home improvement store.



If you've tried heat, beware, you may have already galled the threads and you might be screwed.



Did they budge at all?

staff 03-26-2003 07:22 AM

Re: The answer is....
 
Harsh language!



Failing that, did you try kicking it?



Temper tantrums help, too.

BRBJackson 03-26-2003 07:27 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
"Officer, may I suggest using your nightstick?"

nokneedragin 03-26-2003 07:45 AM

!#@$%&*
 
I agree, I've found that the nastiest of stuck bolt can not withstand a good verbal assault. It's just a matter of finding the right combination of foul language to get them to break.

longride 03-26-2003 07:56 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
Give some penetrating oil a shot and then the big breaker bar again. Gotta snap that bar and not torque it, if you get my drift. Two man operation here. One holds the torx fitting in the head bolt, and the big guy snaps that breaker bar with a quick motion. Either the bolt comes out or the bolt head snaps off. Good luck.

Alaskan18724 03-26-2003 07:57 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
J. Prurient: Take it to a Benz dealer.

Hadji 03-26-2003 07:58 AM

Bail Out the Burnsie
 
Dude, just call your local M-B dealer and ask to speak to the service department. Or try an M-B specialist....you know, the kind with the white lab coat, surgically clean workshop, and answers to Hans or Harmutt. I'm sure these guys do it everyday and will tell you some simple thing that 'll make you go "Duh-Oh!". Good luck.

Elseanno 03-26-2003 07:58 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
Mr. Burns,



Sell it. Buy the wife a nice boring Camry or a Honda Oddity minivan. The 190 was a fake Mercedes to begin with. Sell it to another sucker.......

johnnyb 03-26-2003 08:17 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
no budge. what's Kroll?

johnnyb 03-26-2003 08:18 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
big help, thanks

johnnyb 03-26-2003 08:19 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
hmmmmm... so, i hold it, and wife snaps?

Jakh77 03-26-2003 08:19 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
If I remember correctly, it's Lefty loosey, Righty tighty. That should do it

johnnyb 03-26-2003 08:20 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
it is to laugh...

johnnyb 03-26-2003 08:21 AM

Re: Bail Out the Burnsie
 
Maurice say lefty loosey...

VFRider 03-26-2003 08:34 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
One thing that has worked for me is to soak a piece of cloth with penetrating oil, place the cloth on the bolt(s), and walk away for a day. You may have be a bit creative with the cloth, but the idea is to keep the bolts "wet" and give the oil time to work in as deep as possible. Then use the long breaker bar to snap the head off the bolt as you cuss like a sailor.



Good luck.

fullmetaljacket 03-26-2003 08:36 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
Try the following, take the car out for a spin and bring it up to operating temprature, drive into the garage and try removing those bolts while the engine is still hot (be careful).



Good luck.



Patrick Christen

Elseanno 03-26-2003 08:38 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
Mr. Burns,



I'm sorry. I really didn't mean to be insulting. You are one of my favorite motojournalists, and I thought that it's likely the best course of action. Kind of like your opinions on various bikes. Some of them just aren't worth sinking resources into. I hope I'm wrong and it works out.



Sean Smith

Doug_Myer 03-26-2003 08:40 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
JB

Electric impacts are only reasonable facsimiles of the real thing. Get a 1/2" drive air unit and start at 120 psi. Raise as needed.

Doug

johnnyb 03-26-2003 08:49 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
little tough to drive with the cam and ignition and all that off...

johnnyb 03-26-2003 08:50 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
can you or Mr. Muzzy come down to assist?

longride 03-26-2003 08:50 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
Get yourself a vest with lead shot in it and let her RIP!

Grundoon 03-26-2003 08:56 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
AeroKroil, the oil that creeps! Specially for this sort of application. Look for the orange can.

BMW4VWW 03-26-2003 09:00 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
Dear John. Have you considered divorce as an option? It can be the solution many other problems as well. VWW

SeanAlexander 03-26-2003 09:03 AM

Re: !#@$%&*
 
Perhaps this is a prime oportunity for JB to use the dreaded "Ad Hominem" attack!

Sean_Burke 03-26-2003 09:04 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
I have seen it in shops that cater to reloaders or benchrest shooters.



It does well in rifle bores, as well.

Steve781 03-26-2003 09:11 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
I've heard good things about Kroil. Look at http://www.kanolabs.com/ under penetrating oils. The soaked rag trick is a new one on me, but it sounds like a good one.

dwr461 03-26-2003 09:48 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
No doubt Kroil is wonderful stuff.

donzi 03-26-2003 09:55 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
What kind of impact gun did you use? Some of the cheap ones aren't up to the job. Try a high quality electric impact like a Snap-On or a good air impact gun. If not that put a big breaker bar on it w/ a pipe over that for more leverage and cross your fingers.



Sean.

donzi 03-26-2003 09:57 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
What kind of impact gun did you use? Some of the cheap ones aren't up to the job. Try a high quality electric impact like a Snap-On or a good air impact gun. If not that put a big breaker bar on it w/ a pipe over that for more leverage and cross your fingers.



Sean.

dnakase 03-26-2003 10:08 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
Scuseme, but that statement ain't news just stating the obvious.




donzi 03-26-2003 10:10 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
After posting my last response I decided to call my friend who repairs these cars for a living and ask him what he reccomends. To be honest it dosen't look good. His reply was to use the breaker bar and if they don't come of with that you have a problem. The solution is to drill out the heads of the offending bolts and turn them into studs. Once this is done you can use a chisel to carefully seperate the head from the block. Once the head is off and the tension is released the bolt/studs usually come out with vise-grips. He knows cause he did it just last week.



He then asked if you had the special tools to hold the cam sprocket etc.... He can print out the directions if you need them.



In the end you are probobly best off taking it to a specialist.



Sean.

BiZ 03-26-2003 10:22 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
Maybe it's from bizarro land, and the bolts are reverse threaded.



That'd be neato. If it was from bizarro land, not if they were reverse threaded...

MattF 03-26-2003 10:57 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
Have Boehm work with them for a while...After a bit, those bolts should just leave on their own.

Anton_1 03-26-2003 11:00 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
your f**ked.



Get a hammer and good sized punch and whack the top of each bolt. sometimes you get lucky and this breaks them loose. when that doesn't work, get a big, air powered impact and give them hell until the heads round off. An impact socket w/ no extension transfers the most shock. Drill or chisel the bolts heads off and pull the head. Try and take the studs out with a vise grip. When they twist off, grind them flat and drill through whats left. You can try eazyouts, snap-on makes the best, but they wouln't help. Once you drill out the body of the stud, try and peel the thread out of the hole. If that does't work drill tap and Helicoil. If you drill into the water jacket, coat the helicoil in JB weld before you install it to seal the water jacket.



As I said before, your F**ked

johnnyb 03-26-2003 11:03 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
Dude, i just shot milk out my nose... snort, whinny, chuckle. thanks for that one.

johnnyb 03-26-2003 11:04 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
this starts to sound like quite a bit of work...

cwradio 03-26-2003 11:14 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
Try Pissing on it.


cwradio 03-26-2003 11:15 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
***** on it.

johnnyb 03-26-2003 11:25 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
of course that was the FIRST thing i tried

Abe_Froman 03-26-2003 11:49 AM

Re: BURNS ON BRINK OF MENTAL COLLAPSE
 
Having owned three Jeeps, I've had to deal with Torx bits quite a lot.



In my experience Torx bits are prone to bend their splines under heavy torque. The Torx bits that are two-piece, with a socket that holds the bit, tend to be of better quality than the one-piece Torx socket-bits.



Use an air-powered impact wrench, not electric. High-quality ones can generate much more torque.



If you strip the bolts, I would try drilling them out and using an extractor. They are probably hardened bolts, so you would want to use a colbalt hardened drill bit to drill them out. To make the extraction easier, drill one smaller hole deep into the bolt, then a larger one (but obviously still less than the diameter of the bolt) that's more shallow. This gives the extractor more to bite on.





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