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sportbike_pilot 09-11-2003 07:26 PM

Re: 2004 Hondas: Packed With Surprises!
Very interesting. The stuff everyone knows about and some of the other stuff as well.

Nice scoop.


nweaver 09-11-2003 07:56 PM

The Cracktacular 599
The 599 seems like a cractacular decision.

The old Hornet was well liked on its own, but against the old Fazer it lost out slightly: especially on the tank range, a good gallon less!

The New Fazer/FZ6 is a big advance: stiff aluminum frame, Fuel-injected R6 engine, spiffy underseat exhaust (rather than bagscorcher-style high-side exhaust).

And there is a new Hornet for Europe.

So what do we get? the OLD hornet, without the fairing, with the old god-damned carburators, the silly-pipes. And an asking price of~$1k MORE than the naked SV and probably $700+ more than what Yamaha will charge for the FZ-6.

sqidbait 09-11-2003 09:12 PM

Re: The Cracktacular 599
MSRP for the FZ6 in Canada is $9K Cdn; about $6600 USD.

As for the 599, in US Honda's defence, the new euro Hornet is god-awful ugly...

-- Michael

sqidbait 09-11-2003 09:26 PM

Re: The Cracktacular 599
Just saw the new "uranium" paint for the 919. It's actually kind of neat...

-- Michael

veepster 09-11-2003 09:49 PM

Re: 2004 Hondas: Packed With Surprises!
Thank you MO for the Redbook.

What is Honda thinking with the 599?

It has no price point advantage for a "standard" motorcycle. Why buy the 599 when a mere $800 will get you on a 919?

My '03 CB750 Nighthawk is a great commuter mount. It's as dependable as gravity and I had enough cash left over to customize it to my liking. Sure it wasn't "lightest in its class"- it WAS the class.

Where is it now???? Gonzo

Sadly I'm getting the impression that the industry is buckling to the poseurs...for shame.

I guess if I want a good old fashioned standard with a big mill I'll be heading to the Suzuki camp for a naked Bandit 12. Of course they'll probably discontinue that, too.

Somebody tell Honda to get that CB1300 over here and they'll have me as a customer for life. I would tell them myself but hey, I'm just a rider, not a poseur.

dominatr37 09-12-2003 01:55 AM

Re: 2004 Hondas: Packed With Surprises!
No "XX" ??? Anyone else notice the CBR1100XX is no longer on thier menu? Guess it went bye bye. Oh well... Guess the Blackbird flies no more

rc51zen 09-12-2003 03:01 AM

Re: 2004 Hondas: Packed With Surprises!
I thought there was going to be a new SuperHawk and a naked RC51. Nothing new I give a ***** about.

mconlon 09-12-2003 03:15 AM

Re: 2004 Hondas: Packed With Surprises!
Last year the most exciting design from Honda was a 50cc scooter, the ruckus. This year, its a pair of 50cc bikes, the coolest of which is not street legal and way too expensive. With the new for 03 SV, the 04 FZ, and perhaps a Kawasaki z700, Honda is so far behind the eight-ball with the Hornet 599, it isn't even funny. $7k?!? Even a Speed 4 is cheaper...

waepoint 09-12-2003 03:27 AM

Ooooooo ... stickers!
I've been griping for months that Honda should bring out a replica RC51. I mean, Aprilia adorns their Mille with two versions, and their GP riders haven't won squat! So Honda surprises me with this Nicky rep and ... well, it's pretty unimpressive, with just some stickers slapped over the stock bodywork. *yawn* ... I suppose it was beyond wishful thinking to hope that they'd honor Colin with a full-on WSBK rep. Woulda been cool ...

SpongeBOB 09-12-2003 03:50 AM

Re: 2004 Hondas: Packed With Surprises!
disappointed here too. Where the **** is the new, updated, improved & awesome SuperHawk I've been waiting for!!!

SpongeBOB 09-12-2003 03:58 AM

Re: 2004 Hondas: Packed With Surprises!
ooooh yea, Dream 50R & NSR50R !!!!

too bad it not street legal but still cool !

I want both of them!!! What's the price?

schizuki 09-12-2003 04:29 AM

Re: 2004 Hondas: Packed With Surprises!
I think the 599 is a fantastic move, following up on the success of the 919.

I wish Honda would buy a movie studio and put this management and marketing brilliance to work in films. I'd love to see "Gigli II" and "The Further Adventures of Pluto Nash" someday.

nbyers 09-12-2003 04:31 AM

Still raving about the paint
So the 919, an otherwise perfectly handsome motorcycle, is available in silver, and a color called "matte uranium" which sounds a lot like, well, matte silver. So you can have silver or silver.

Who's ordering the paint? What happened to Honda red? What's with all the matte black everywhere? Why does this make me nuts?

Moblab 09-12-2003 04:38 AM

Not so fast
I don't think the Nighthawk 750 is discontinued. In fact, I don't think it's changed at all for '04, thus explaining its absence from the "new for '04" page.

SmokeU 09-12-2003 04:56 AM

Re: 2004 Hondas: Packed With Surprises!
I'll bet anyone that I could get a Dream 50 or NSR50R and make it street legal here in SD.

SpongeBOB 09-12-2003 05:00 AM

Re: 2004 Hondas: Packed With Surprises!
Looks like the Frenchies get newer & more toys than we do!

waepoint 09-12-2003 05:03 AM

Re: Still raving about the paint
Check out the photos. The matte uranium is actually not at all silver. The color should instead be called "Matte Speed Four" or "Matte Mid-70's Nuclear Vomit"

SpongeBOB 09-12-2003 05:29 AM

Re: 2004 Hondas: Packed With Surprises!

Dream 50R $5,499 BASE MSRP


damn, not cheap!

KPaulCook 09-12-2003 05:29 AM

RC51 is dodo bird, the death of VTwin sportbikes continues
This is its last year in production. VTwins are dead in sportbikes

TatdNPrcd 09-12-2003 05:35 AM

Re: Not so fast II
Take a look at the Honda page. The only Nighthawk listed for '04 is the 250cc version. Sad really. If they were going to dump the Nighthawk 750 they should have lost the 250cc too and replaced it with that cool little Euro only CBF250.

Gabe 09-12-2003 05:40 AM

Do you like 50's?
Then check out Derbi's website:

Derbi makes a STREET LEGAL (even in CA) Super Motard, Road Racer Dual Sport and racing scooter. They all have very low MSRP's and Derbi is a solid product that's made in Spain.

TatdNPrcd 09-12-2003 05:46 AM

Re: 2004 Hondas: Packed With Surprises!
I'm a bit suprised about this as well. They sell every XX they make and it's gone from the line up. They can't give the 919 away and they come out with the "new" 599. I just don't get it.

TatdNPrcd 09-12-2003 05:48 AM

wake me up when your same old tired line is over.

Lowrez 09-12-2003 06:58 AM

Re: 2004 Hondas: Packed With Surprises!
From the company that couldn't figure out it was time to bring the Hawk GT out of retirement, here's the 599. Too expensive and too dull.

I'm pretty sure that movie studio would start off with a remake of "Howard the Duck". I mean, all those other comic book movies have done so well lately.

pplassm 09-12-2003 07:15 AM

Re: Still raving about the paint
Where's these guys go to school? Uranium isn't green.

nokneedragin 09-12-2003 07:21 AM

Kryptonite is

schizuki 09-12-2003 07:23 AM

Re: Do you like 50's?

"Derbi is a solid product that's made in Spain."

That's an endorsement?

ikonoklass 09-12-2003 07:24 AM

Re: 2004 Hondas: Packed With Surprises!
ST1100P? Haenh?

nokneedragin 09-12-2003 07:24 AM

Re: 2004 Hondas: Packed With Surprises!
Suposedly you can get almost any bike titled and regestered in Georgia. I had a talk with a guy that had an Aprillia 250 2smoke, said that once he had it titled in GA he was able to transfer it to Florida.

schizuki 09-12-2003 07:28 AM

Re: 2004 Hondas: Packed With Surprises!

You know what I really hate about bikes like the 599 (and 919)? When these boring mutts gather dust on the showroom floor, the manufacturers say, "There's no market for nakeds in the US."

If Kawasaki doesn't bring the uber-cool Z750 to the States because boring nakeds haven't sold, I'm going to be pizzed.

banksideusa 09-12-2003 08:03 AM

Re: The Cracktacular 599
Gosh everybody else beat me too it. So I'll just add my voice to the multitude.

Why on earth would I buy a 599 over a FZ6? Except maybe for the HUGE discount I'll be able to get in about a year. Good luck finding an FZ6, it rocks!!!


sarnali 09-12-2003 08:19 AM

Re: 2004 Hondas: Packed With Surprises!
The 919 and 599 look good, I like the green but they should have called it kryptonite instead of uranium. They could save that for the 235 model.

My only concern would be the bank angle sensors for the EFI, but I guess they got that one sorted out by now.

I agree with the other poster, if they only bring pooches over for naked bikes then it would seem that nakeds don't sell here, but I think these two look good and are compettitive with the Speed Triple, Bandit, FZ 1, Z-Rex, Monster and Aprilia.

I'd still like to see the CB1300 and GSX1400 here too. Also it's a shame they didn't upgrade the VTR, It's such a nice cheap alternative to the Italians, BNG's on the RC-51 don't quite make it, guess they spent all their money on the CBR1000RRRRRRRR

mcjunkie 09-12-2003 09:53 AM

Not so fast III - where's the love?
If it's true, then that's kind of a big deal.. the first time since 1969 there's been no CB750 in the lineup. Seems like there should be a retirement ceremony w/ gold watch or something not just letting it fade away.. That bike was HUGE news back then.. it was the 1969 king of superbikes and the beginning of the I-4 jap bike revolution.

s_blackwelder 09-12-2003 09:58 AM

For shame; new market?
Yes, I'm disgusted too. The industry is catering more and more exclusively to poseurs, deleting more and more under-600cc street models from the U.S. market.

With the price of gasoline now permanently higher on the U.S. West Coast, why don't the manufacturers start marketing older-technology (cheaper, more reliable and more profitable) models between 250cc and 550 cc, to frugally-minded commuters?

Yes, plenty of under-600cc bikes are available used, but which novice wants to buy a machine that a fellow novice broke in?

SpongeBOB 09-12-2003 10:02 AM

Re: Still raving about the paint
It's green in the Simpsons....

s_blackwelder 09-12-2003 10:09 AM

50cc high technology, slow acceleration
The water-cooled 50cc scooter drivetrain has great technology, but tests have shown that the current/new 50cc scooters neither accelerate fast enough nor reach high enough cruising speeds for safe commuting in real L.A. boulevard traffic.

Is this powertrain easy to de-restrict?

v2-90 09-12-2003 10:44 AM

Re: 2004 Hondas: Packed With Surprises!
Yeah, I noticed this as well and was just on my way to post your exact message. I looked through the "redbook" twice and was amazed! I was really hoping Honda was going to actually IMPROVE the XX this year, not just repaint it again...

Sad day indeed. First Johnny Cash, now the Blackbird...

johnnyb 09-12-2003 11:13 AM

Re: 2004 Hondas: Packed With Surprises!
I don't think God is on the Sportbike planning committee at Honda, but you can give it a shot. Maybe call and ask for Baba-san.

SmokeU 09-12-2003 11:41 AM

Re: 2004 Hondas: Packed With Surprises!
Even quads are legal here in SD. Blinkers are optional, and daytime running lights on bikes is not required either, sooooo with all of the slack regulations I figure I can get anything to be titled here.

kill_van_kull 09-12-2003 11:41 AM

what's with the underseat exhausts?
so for 2004 all the open classers are getting the underseat exhaust treatment. why is this? aerodynamics, style, or something else? why would you put a heavy object so high up on the bike? and doesn't the longer exhaust pipe this requires tend to reduce horsepower? it certainly seems to when comparing aftermarket standards vs hi-mounts. and won't my or (if she's nuts...) my pillion's ass get hot?

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