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bigdx 05-26-2006 12:40 AM

Re: to helmet or not?
"Â… crashes however the phenomenon of seeing the future or clairvoyance is still up for debate "

No debate. That is not something I said. You go debate it all you want Â… on your own.

"the salient point which you appear to delib[e]rately miss is that having an accident is not totally within your control"

Your perception of what I said is out of my control; how I ride, when I ride, where I ride and subsequently the ability to lower the probability of having an accident is within my control.

By being an accident free road user the past 15 years has made me realize there is an extremely high correlation between being cautious and accident free. Conversely there is an extremely high correlation between bad riding habits and wrecking. Ask your insurance agent and local troop; they will verify.

"there are a million other factors other than your ability and experience in riding a bike ...other road users for one who may not have your experience..."

Yes, therefore I ride accordingly.

"but I know you are well aware of this and I think you just enjoy misinterpreting what others say just to have a[n] argument"

No argument. I ride carefully and do not have accidents. Is it possible that I may have one? Sure, but highly unlikely. If it does happen it will be at low speeds and more than likely of the ‘fender bender’ variety.

Squids ride like squids and end up wrecking frequently. They have some naïve notion that full-face helmets and body armor will protect them from their own misguided ‘abilities’ on public roads. It will not. Nor will it protect the innocent bystanders they hurt. The best protection is proper riding etiquette and good sense.

IÂ’ll wear my half and drive sensibly Â… I am much safer than mr power ranger riding like his ass because he has delusions of being Valentino Rossi.

Tadgh 05-26-2006 02:52 AM

Re: to helmet or not?
i think we are arguing the same point here, except for one thing; i believe you are overestimating how much riding defensively can help to not have accidents. it smacks of the same notion you point to with squids and that is overconfidence, its as easy to be overconfident of your experience as it is to be overconfident of your valentino rossi abilities. thanks for the spell checks but my mistakes relate to poor typing ability rather than poor spelling ability, maybe you can include a picture of a keyboard and which key to push with which finger, as this will be more helpful for me. for the record i wear a full face helmet and armoured cordura style clothes, mainly due to the climate than anything else and i commute to work everyday

bigdx 05-26-2006 04:01 AM

Re: to helmet or not?
You are sadly mistaken if you think my attitude is one of over-confidence. Mine attitude towards riding is one of respect of road conditions and respect to other road users. And that has yet to fail me once in 15 years. (I have been riding for more than 30 years)

I wear a half as a big part of the enjoyment I glean from motorcycling is the sensation of the wind in my face. What is the point of riding if I do not get enjoyment out of it?

However, I am always somewhat perturbed by riders, who quite obviously speed (and by implication ride irresponsibly), berating me for being ‘unsafe’ by wearing a half. They take their enjoyment by being inconsiderate and disrespectful to other road users and are by no means safer than I. In fact, statistics, insurance companies and law enforcement will testify that they are the most unsafe road users out there.

As a side note: The difference between rider like myself and sports bike rider is that I do not break the law each and every time I go for a ride, nor I do not disrespect and endanger other fellow road users.

BTW. It is etiquette to place a square bracket around a correction when the post is quoting somebody else. If you are comfortable by posting misspelled words that is none of my concern. I am not comfortable with posting misspelled and therefore correct before posting.

Tadgh 05-26-2006 05:53 AM

Re: to helmet or not?
well i have had 3 accidents in the last 4 years, one where i was rear ended at a traffic light, one where my bike slid on a diesel spill and one which was my fault. and i have been riding on the road for 10 years and off road since i was a kid almost 25 years. seeing as i was stationary for one of the accidents and travelling at 20mph for the other i fail to see how they could have been prevented by any action i took. this is exactly the random nature i am trying to get across to you, the random nature of biking accidents just like the random nature of most any life situation. i have ridden all types of bikes and tend not to confine my self to one particular genre though i do not own a cruiser at the moment. the helmet thing is no concern of mine one way or another. i mentioned that the climate here was the main factor for full face helmets, it isnt possible to ride here without one .. as for speeding well that wasnt my original thread i was only interested in the idea of control of a chaotic environment you had . are you american? the idea of the them (sports bike riders) and us (cruiser riders?) seems very prevalent. is this a typical attitude in the US?

Neal 05-26-2006 08:28 AM

Re: 'Balanced Editoral on Helmets', says KSquid.
Where's ypur logic.....workmens comp only pays some...they still depend on insurance held by the same carriers the helmetless bukers use. The effect of an injury on your health insurance rates is the same whether its sustained riding with a helmet,without a helmet,racing,skiing or crossing the street on foot.

gear_head 05-26-2006 02:52 PM

Re: to helmet or not?
Don't worry about bigdx. There's a 78 year old lady out there just waiting to T-bone him into oblivion just to disprove his theory.

By the way, add Larry Grodsky to the list who went down...and died.

Or, I could just tell dx about the MSF instructor in NJ who was killed by a left-turner. This guy was mister Hi-Viz-wearing safety rider. I'm sure he knew of the left turn scenario. Sometimes, it just doesn't matter on your experience or experiences bigdx.

dmorga1 05-29-2006 09:48 PM

Re: The $$$ always comes from somewhere. . .
Well, it was a pretty rare thing to begin with--but some providers were denying care to people in crisis as a result of their financial predicament, which is simply ethically inappropriate--not to mention a pretty dark thing to do, morally. However, the upside to this was that although indeed, as you point out, many ERs became "free clinics," medical centers bagn to combat this with the "Urgent Care Center," or similar--a place where people can go to get good care for the flu, sprains, and rashes without bankrupting our systems. Emergency medicine is awfully expensive in terms of overhead. Now, if we could just get that collection rate up. . .

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