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mscuddy 07-19-2005 07:19 AM

Re: Polaris and KTM announce partnership
 
A Paris-to-Dakar 8 Ball? The mind reels....

BMW4VWW 07-19-2005 07:19 AM

Re: Polaris and KTM announce partnership
 
Comming soon the new Duke Power Cruiser? The joining of KTM and Victory motorcycles certainly strikes me as an odd marrage. VWW

mts 07-19-2005 07:21 AM

Re: Polaris and KTM announce partnership
 
KTM snowmobiles? Polaris dirtbikes? The mind reels!



Actually, will this make it easier to get KTM parts in America? Great idea!

nokneedragin 07-19-2005 07:46 AM

Re: Polaris and KTM announce partnership
 
I don't know, this doesn't sound to bad. KTM gets a bigger exposure in the USA, Polaris gets a push in the EU. KTM is off road/hooligan type bike, polaris is power cruisers, watercraft, snowmobiles. No direct competition with each others lines. KTM gets more dealers and a bigger parts distribution network.

Polaris gets its broad line of product more European exposure.

Both brands get pretty good reviews, the only thing thats held them back (for me) is the lack of dealers.



This one might float.



First cross platform bike will be called the Polekat

blitz 07-19-2005 07:51 AM

Re: Polaris and KTM announce partnership
 
Actually, this makes a lot of sense. Last Saturday,while trailering the Honda dirt bikes after a ride (my daughters, 8 & 10 years old, rode about 35 miles of technical single track, and 50 miles total, which I believe is more than sportbikebandit does on his Ninja, but i digress) through Wyoming, MN, the new home of Polaris R&D, I was thinking that Polaris ' next move will be dirtbikes. I was thinking that they'd develop their own, but this makes sense.



KTM is good stuff, but parts are ungodly expensive. KTM charged $170 for a clutch cover gasket and 6 fiber plates! Hopefully, Polaris will improve KTM logistically here, and we will all benefit. Actually, Victory bikes aren't so cheap. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

smithrob75 07-19-2005 07:53 AM

Re: Polaris and KTM announce partnership
 
Actually the watercraft arm of Polaris went out of business.

Steven_Verschoor 07-19-2005 08:06 AM

Re: Polaris and KTM announce partnership
 
Woo-hoo! I'll bet the Super Duke gets here sooner rather than later.

Tigercub 07-19-2005 08:19 AM

Re: Polaris and KTM announce partnership
 
Great idea. Sounds good for KTM and Polaris both. I'd like to see Triumph do the same. Maybe hook up with MZ or develop their own offraod or dual purpose bikes.

Grover 07-19-2005 08:19 AM

Re: Polaris and KTM announce partnership
 
I have a feeling this will probably have less impact on the motorcycles of the respective products and more impact on the ATV, snowmobile and watercraft areas.



Their motorcycle product lines compliment one another very well in that they are presently entirely distinct. It wouldn't make sense to join forces and then make a KTM cruiser or a Polaris motocrosser to compete with the existing product. Combining forces to develop a sweet-a$$ line of ATVs and snowmobiles however is an entirely different story, and one that definately has my interest piqued.

triumph900 07-19-2005 08:34 AM

Re: Polaris and KTM announce partnership
 
Victory's (better) answer to Buell??

triumph900 07-19-2005 08:36 AM

Re: Polaris and KTM announce partnership
 
Polaris got out of watercraft. But upgrading the Polaris ATV/snowmobile engines would be nice.

Hutchinator 07-19-2005 08:44 AM

No such thing
 
Better than Buell? Bite-th thy tongue!

nokneedragin 07-19-2005 08:48 AM

Re: Polaris and KTM announce partnership
 
Shows how much I know. I thought they where still making them.

triumph900 07-19-2005 09:19 AM

Re: No such thing
 
Ouch!

teknoman 07-19-2005 09:20 AM

Re: Polaris and KTM announce partnership
 
Apparently polaris invested 80 million samolians in ktm.I had read that harley was perhaps interested,but got beat out.IMAGINE A KTM WITH LOWER SEAT HEIGHT FOR US SEAM IMPAIRED PEEPS!

iamz 07-19-2005 09:37 AM

Re: KTM AND POLARIS: A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP
 
I hope this means more exciting bikes coming out of Polaris.



As for KTM as a company, they may make cool bikes, but since they have never bothered to show up at the Cycle World International Motorcycle show here in Minneapolis, I won't bother to stop in and see their bikes at their sparsely placed so called dealer network.

mscuddy 07-19-2005 09:47 AM

Re: Polaris and KTM announce partnership
 
Crazy stuff indeed. KTM seems to be on top of the dual-sport-dirt world at the moment. Remember, it all started with John Penton. Who woulda thought. Let's hope KTM doesn't take big gas. I don't see too many Vic's out here on the left coast.



Hey, I just completed a hybrid project myself, maiting a Kroozer bicycle with an 80cc "Kings Motorscooter" motor.



Check out this link:



http://www.kingsmotorbikes.com/index.html



I'll send you a pic later. The dang bike must go 40 mph. Even has a real clutch. Call me Pee Wee.

cstewart77 07-19-2005 10:05 AM

Re: KTM AND POLARIS: A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP
 
Great; an unreliable, expensive to maintain, orange cruiser! Just what the market needed!

acecycleins 07-19-2005 10:29 AM

Re: KTM AND POLARIS: A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP
 
Harley wanted KTM for a minute, remember? Makes great sense to me. KTM builds quality equipment. Polaris builds ATVs that are rock solid. That is pure business mechanics. If KTM develops Duke and SM bikes as planned by 07 there will be a Victory sportbike to compete with Buell. Watercooled at that. Oh, no one said technology was cheap. You don't see cheap KTM's rolling around do you? Expect the prices of all the machines to stay status quo. Which also means parts will still be high, too. Just easier to locate.

ikonoklass 07-19-2005 10:52 AM

Re: KTM AND POLARIS: A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP
 
Another nail in Harley's coffin ... Imagine a Buell powered by the Superduke 990 lump?

Kipio 07-19-2005 10:53 AM

Re: KTM AND POLARIS: A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP
 
THATS GREAT, BUT NO NEED TO YELL!

sportbikebandit 07-19-2005 11:45 AM

Re: KTM AND POLARIS: A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP
 
Complimentary partnership. Doubt it will result in any new motorcycle models though. Win Win thing.

tomk2 07-19-2005 11:47 AM

Re: KTM AND POLARIS: A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP
 
Better make sure that beast is dead before you try to bury it...



I'm no Harley fan but they still generate more profit in a week than Polaris and KTM combined do in a year.




sportbikebandit 07-19-2005 12:11 PM

Re: KTM AND POLARIS: A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP
 
Yep I am sure Harley is worried about a niche bike like a Buell competitor .... Not like the big 4 have any bikes like that. Like someone said this has to do more with ATVs and snowmobiles than motorcycles

schizuki 07-19-2005 01:24 PM

Re: KTM AND POLARIS: A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP
 
"Another nail in Harley's coffin ... "



That would make one.



If it was.



And it isn't.

sportbikebandit 07-19-2005 01:40 PM

Re: Polaris and KTM announce partnership
 
Hey I rode a total of 75 miles last weekend..All of beautiful curvy everygreen lined roads... 1 mile in WA = 100 miles in Chicago, MN, WI, TX, etc... I think longride practices turns on cloverleafs...

fullgarage 07-19-2005 03:58 PM

Re: Polaris and KTM announce partnership
 
The cross platform bike comment was freakin' funny!

ikonoklass 07-19-2005 07:09 PM

Re: KTM AND POLARIS: A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP
 
First one was their failure to buy the Indian name ... Could have spawned a whole new line of bikes based on the watercooled V-ROD engine ... this was the second big blunder.... Buells could have been competitive with any sportbike in the world. Oh, I'm sure they'll remain profitable for a good while yet, but their best days are behind them unless they remove their heads from their anal fundament.

monsters4 07-20-2005 01:03 AM

Re: KTM and Polaris: A Strategic Partnership
 
I am torn. I own Ski-Doo and KTM. The good news is I will have a dealer 20 minutes from my house. The nearest decent KTM dealer is over an hour in the direction I never go. With a dealer that close the 9fiddy might get a spot in the garage as long as they don't go tribal with the paint.

sarnali 07-20-2005 05:19 AM

Re: Polaris and KTM announce partnership
 
Pee Wee

sarnali 07-20-2005 05:24 AM

Re: No such thing
 
One of the local Trumpy dealers sells Victorys as well. They've got some pretty nice looking bikes now, I think a KTM-Victory line is a pretty good match innit? Covers all the base's yeah?

blitz 07-20-2005 05:34 AM

Re: Polaris and KTM announce partnership
 
You were on the highway, my daughters were in the woods on their xr70 and xr80. They rode for 5 hours (2 hours, lunch, 3 hours) on single track, and it was 95 degrees and humid. I would say that 1 mile in the woods is equal to 10 miles on the roads. (I am way more tired after riding 50 miles in the woods than 500 miles on my street bike.)



My 8 year old hit a stump hard enough to bend her shiftshaft back to the footpeg, and that is with a folding shifter. My guess is that you didn't ride quite that hard, yet you criticize how other people ride. I need some of whatever you're on.








BMW4VWW 07-20-2005 07:04 AM

Re: Polaris and KTM announce partnership
 
So where's my picture? VWW

mscuddy 07-20-2005 07:46 AM

Re: Polaris and KTM announce partnership
 
Sending it now.

bbtowns 07-20-2005 10:15 AM

Re: KTM AND POLARIS: A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP
 
Interesting, in Portland, OR KTM has several dealerships within 50 miles or so, 3 that I can think of and probably more. Their presence must not be consistent across the states.

They don't carry alot of bikes in stock in general though, and of course they missed the Seattle, WA show too.

Hutchinator 07-20-2005 10:55 AM

Re: No such thing
 
Well, I give you that it expands Victory's base since they don't have sportbikes/off-road/adventure.



I do like Victory's cruisers, but not so fond of KTM.

schizuki 07-20-2005 02:34 PM

Re: KTM AND POLARIS: A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP
 
"First one was their failure to buy the Indian name"



Yes, because Indian motorcycles have taken such a huge share of Harley's market. How many Indians were sold last year, BTW?



"Could have spawned a whole new line of bikes based on the watercooled V-ROD engine ... this was the second big blunder...."



Is there some sort of pent-up consumer demand for water-cooled Harleys?



"Buells could have been competitive with any sportbike in the world."



Based upon what? What in either H-D's or Erik Buell's history makes you so confident they could out-do Japan, Inc. in building sportbikes?



"Oh, I'm sure they'll remain profitable for a good while yet"



Finally, a statement I agree with.



"but their best days are behind them unless they remove their heads from their anal fundament."



Don't let this get out, or every CEO in America will look at Harley's record and order their managers to lube up their skulls and commence to insertin.'








nesbit 07-20-2005 07:37 PM

Re: KTM and Polaris: A Strategic Partnership
 
The merger is a potential plus for american riders. Clearly, KTM's current marketing strategy leaves much to be desired. At least 3 local NY-metro dealers I've contacted over the last year regarding the 990 Duke haven't expressed much enthusiasm for the Company's apparent lack of support on bikes or parts availability for the models that were already "available" to the America market. Two told me they weren't planning on even carrying the line for 2005. There really isn't much of a margin on bikes for the dealer to begin with. So, why should they struggle with a non-supportive vendor. While the website displayed Duke graphics and stunning videos, not a single "courtesy" press release or website blip was published on the 990 Duke's American debut and my calls to the N. American HQ went unanswered, unreturned, or when successful were completely evasive in nature. Ditto for efforts to reach Austria Corporate. Possibly, the worst PR effort I've ever seen, compounded by KTM's refusal to exhibit at major American MC shows. I pretty much swore I wouldn't buy one even if it was imported. Anyway, clearly, the merger suggests that someone finally got the message that American riders (I can't be a minority of one) were not happy with the business-as-usual approach that was being pursued. Not that any Duke that made it over here would have languished in the showroom. And that's really quite unfortunate, because KTM really doesn't deserve our business. Ironically, by the time the Duke does get here, it's technical innovation will have been matched or upstaged by those companies who are generally responsive to their USA customer base and they will languish in the showrooms of America. An appropriate reward, I think, for their incompetent and contemptuous behavior!

ikonoklass 07-21-2005 06:38 PM

Re: KTM AND POLARIS: A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP
 
--Do you think Harleys sell because they're excellent bikes, or because of branding? The Indian name is incredibly valuable from a branding perspective, and would be even more so in the hands of an American company. Do you think Stellican bought the Indian name because they were looking for a means to unburden themselves of extra cash? Harley should have bought the name just to keep it from biting them in the ass, which it surely will.



--Second big blunder, if you'd bothered to read my screed, was the failure to partner with KTM to develop an engine for Buell. Erik Buell is a technological genius hamstrung with an engine from 1957.



As for their future, the headlines are less than sanguine: "Motorcycle maker Harley-Davidson Inc. said Wednesday its second-quarter profit fell by 4 percent because of a planned production cut that has triggered lawsuits and a Securities and Exchange Commission investigation." Thus begins the great unraveling.



There are also an awful lot of people gunning for a piece of the pie. Yamaha's new Star line is going to do well. Triumph and Polaris are also experiencing robust cruiser sales that are only going to grow. BMW has new cruisers in the works. None of these amount to a hill of beans today, but even slow and steady growth, coupled with equally slow yet steady decline on Harley's part, will eventually create a new world of seven thousand dollar Wide Glides.


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