Indian begat the Scout in 2015. Shortly after that, it realized it needed a sub-$10k bike to compete with the Harley 883. They sleeved the Scout down to 999cc (61 cubic inches), removed one gear from the six-speed box that nobody will ever miss, slashed the price by $2000, and Bob’s your most fun uncle for $8,999. On the other hand, your Uncle 883 is also greatly improved these last few years, and still sells for the same $8,999. It’s almost a tie here, but I think it goes to the Indian.

  • kenneth_moore

    That Vespa is tempting…just the thing to bop out to the beach or grocery store on.

    Did Honda restyle the NC700 recently? I don’t remember it being that sporty looking. Maybe it’s the camera angle or colors.

    • DickRuble

      Yes, this is the new NC700.. Welcome back to the world.. where were you? under a rock?

      • kenneth_moore

        It’s just not a bike I’ve paid much attention to. The guys I know who ride them think they’re great, but when I rode one a few years ago it was about as exciting as a Chrysler K car.

        BTW: My rock has internet.

        • Rocky Stonepebble

          Thank you for noticing.

        • DickRuble

          If your rock has internet, what’s your excuse? There were a couple of articles about the new NC700X. It’s a great utilitarian vehicle, just not one that will make you want ride for the sake of riding.

          • kenneth_moore

            “make me excited to ride for the sake of riding”

            Exactly. It’s 50-something outside and in a few minutes I’ll hop on the FJ and go for a Sunday am blast. I doubt an NC would inspire the same enthusiasm.

  • Rocky Stonepebble

    Bearing in mind the exchange rate, and differing prices, it is kind of funny that my shopping list of four, which is also set at $10K, has two of your choices. Also, two of your choices are off of my list strictly because they are so f****** ugly. And the SV doesn’t make it because the rocket surgeons at Suzuki took away the fairing.

    Why was the Ninja 650 not included?

    • Alaskan18724

      I counted four ugly babies. Which two did you miss?

      • Rocky Stonepebble

        Did not miss any. There were five bikes I would not consider at all. Of which, four are ugly on an heroic level, and one is the Enfield GT.

        • Alaskan18724

          D’accord.

          • Rocky Stonepebble

            There are no cars on this list.

          • Alaskan18724

            D’ipstick.

          • Rocky Stonepebble

            LOL … not a fan of bad jokes?
            🍻

          • Alaskan18724

            Huge fan of bad jokes. The badder the worser. Returned service, I thought….

          • Rocky Stonepebble

            You did! I thought I deserved a groan though. 😂

          • Alaskan18724

            Speaking of groans—I just discovered Jean Claude van Johnson. In terms of groans, it is very fine.

          • Rocky Stonepebble

            I keep seeing that listed on Prime, but I have far too many other things to get through first.

          • Alaskan18724

            I made it through two and a half episodes. Groaning can make your throat sore.

          • Rocky Stonepebble

            Still doing The Grand Tour, and then have some other motoring shows to do. Only purchased Prime about a week before Christmas.

          • Rocky Stonepebble
          • Alaskan18724

            He mattered.

          • Rocky Stonepebble

            I’m a big fan of the Apollo astronauts. All heros.

          • Alaskan18724

            “Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.”

            —Marion Morrison

          • Rocky Stonepebble

            Throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart. I went from VERY successful radio listener, to top T.V. watcher. I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius….and a very stable genius at that!

            – Rockford (Rocky) Quarrymen Dolomite Stonepebble IV

          • Alaskan18724

            “And now, here to tell you everything about anything, is Mister Know-it-all!”

            – Rocket J. (Rocky) Squirrel

          • Rocky Stonepebble
  • Sentinel

    Surely at least one variant of the Honda CB500 platform deserves a spot!

    • Born to Ride

      Overlooked for the NC700, Burn’s true love.

    • DickRuble

      John Burns 2018 is not going to spend a second more thinking about his write-up than John Burns 2017. He’s going to claim that none of the 500’s are new. Oh wait, neither is Versys 650 LT or the Scout Sixty. The inclusion of beyond pathetic Royal Enfield junk to the detriment of three vastly superior Honda products (cb500r, cb500x and cb500f at $6,099). The lousy Scout Sixty gets in when the CB650F (new to the US) at $8,250 is left out. But hey, there’s room for the Vespa.

      • Sayyed Bashir

        Hey, its his article. He can give the top 10 to whoever he likes. If you disagree, you’ll have to get your own magazine. Actually there is a opening for a writer over at RideApart. Good chance to air things out. (Actually I like the Vespa. He almost convinced me to buy it. But I am running out of room).

        • DickRuble

          I have a Vespa. It’s a great scooter, but it’s no motorcycle,. Yet the Vespa makes more sense than the Royal Enfield, which belongs with the Ural and the likes.

  • Alaskan18724

    Always liked Vespas. Probably the only guy in Florida with an Aprilia Scarabeo parked next to a Dyna. FYI: Three Weimaraners will chase an Aprilia Scarabeo for miles and miles….

    • Rocky Stonepebble

      Which shade of pink is your Scarabeo?

      • Alaskan18724

        Metallic navy blue. My favorite shade of pink. Like riding a mini bike at 80 mph.

        • Rocky Stonepebble

          So, in neither colour, nor top speed does it match your Dyna. Seems it exceeds it. Well done!

          😛

          • Alaskan18724

            2006 FXD35. Scratched a whole lot of itches. And I like looking at it.

          • Alaskan18724
          • Rocky Stonepebble

            Pretty bike.

          • Alaskan18724

            Looks like a motorcycle. I’d like to have an R90S and an Eldorado 850 to park next to it. Then I’ll have the form thing covered, and can move on to function!

          • Rocky Stonepebble

            No. It looks like a Hardly. But, to each his own. An RGV500 looks like a motorbike.

            Must admit, though, I find the RnineT Cafe fetching, so who cares what I think:
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ba5c29351054bc87cd3c52dc9774c529fa44533d35a8c852d12b5135122323a1.jpg

          • Born to Ride

            They are 20/20 bikes. They look amazing from 20 feet going 20 mph. Up close the fit n finish does not hold up.

            Oh wait, sorry, it’s a 6.1/33 bike.

        • hipsabad

          Agreed. i owned one of the new Vespas and after riding the Scarabeo i’d say the bigger wheels are a huge handling benefit

          • Alaskan18724

            We had a 300GT that made the ultimate sacrifice. Scarabeo is bigger, faster, cushier. Vespa was better looking and made me giggle in an embarrassing fashion. Vespas are just cool.

  • Born to Ride

    I have to disagree with the top spot here, nobody wants the base model Street Triple. Especially since they now have 3 models, the base version seems like a bad investment. You will never be able to resell it, and you’re missing out on the greatness that is the STR’s famed chassis, brakes, and suspension performance.

  • lennon2017

    The thing with the new SV650 is it’s not worth a penny more than the msrp, and really it’s barely superior to some 300-class bikes, definitely in terms of build quality. When it was introduced almost two decades ago, sure, it was THE naked bike for sensible street riders and tinkering track day denizens. Things have progressed. The plastics and the pro-o-o-nounced radiator are things you need crossed eyes to tolerate. Yamaha has deservedly reigned over Suzuki with its FZ-now-fully-MT entry. They both have hideous indicators, and yeah, the Yamaha has/had this absurd incongruous plastic tank piece, whereas Suzuki is all paint and striping, but from the unbecoming pipe bends and goiterous oil filter to the bars and bar clamp that look like something out of Harbor Freight, and the needlessly convex dash display that causes all sorts of camouflaging in daylight, and the confusing clutch assist, and the laughable seat, and again that sore thumb of a radiator cap radiator everything, all of which speaks to cost cutting in the extreme rather than something to be proud of, the Yamaha continue to eek ahead, because if power is about the same, and suspension is about the same, it’s interface that is the decider of worth, and one company chose to make the most of its project.

    • Alaskan18724

      But how do you FEEL about it?

      • Born to Ride

        Right? He made a compelling argument, but then I went and looked at the pictures, and Remembered that the FZ is hideous from nearly every angle(and it’s by far the best looking of its siblings). I’d take the Suzuki for the exhaust note alone…

        • Alaskan18724

          Townsend Whelen once famously said, “Only accurate rifles are interesting.” I’d say only non-ugly motorcycles warrant further attention. That’s the first hurdle. Transformer-looking monstrosities will never have a place in my garage. There. I said it.

          • Sayyed Bashir

            Performance surmounts all hurdles. A pretty bike that doesn’t move (just like a pretty wife who doesn’t cook) is going to be a showroom decoration or a garage queen. Some people don’t like KTM’s extreme design but there is extreme performance to go along with it and to fall in love with.

          • Alaskan18724

            Respect your position. For me? Plenty of pretty bikes that perform. If I don’t like to look back at her over my shoulder, I don’t want her.

          • Alaskan18724

            For the record, I think KTM has never made an ugly bike.

          • Sayyed Bashir

            Thank you!

          • Born to Ride

            KTM’s origami points and flat surfaces has never jived with my aesthetic senses. They don’t look much better than Japanese transformers to my eye.

          • Rocky Stonepebble

            GD! do I ever agree. But, the 690 Duke is on my list. Maybe due to my multiple RZ ownership. Hooliganism is probably best when done with an ugly girlfriend.

          • Alaskan18724

            Not necessarily ugly. Tattooed and pierced, however….

          • Rocky Stonepebble

            Hey! I said it was on my list. And, I’ve said before that I have no time for tattoos. Or stupid face jabby shit.

            But, I’ll tell you; I’ve had a couple of bikes in my day, but none ever made me go all ‘Scottish’, like an Rz350. I mean, I was a total arsehole almost the entire time I was ever on one. Or, contemplating my next period of arseholishness.

            And that Duke 690 looks like my kindred spirit.

          • Born to Ride

            At least KTM brings the goods, I actually WANT to ride their bikes. Just like an eager-to-please ugly girlfriend, you don’t have to look at her while you ride!

          • Rocky Stonepebble

            lol … I’m not sure whether I should just wait for the 790 to show up, or get my reasonable bike now, and go into debt later for both.

          • Born to Ride

            I bought my brand new scalpel on Christmas Eve. The debt is worth it. It’s really the little things.https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/51cb8d0fbdd9bd08bee40b451d4ef78ac9abc8790e5d8e30156b410f51c9b17c.jpg

          • Rocky Stonepebble

            Sweet.

          • Born to Ride

            The burger and sunshine on this fine Sunday afternoon in January makes it all the better.

          • Rocky Stonepebble

            Is that the Hawaiian burger joint? Burgers, the cornerstone of a nutritious breakfast.
            https://youtu.be/dBP0Mbc7VFw?t=7

          • Born to Ride

            It was a tasty burger. Now it’s time to walk the land.

          • Rocky Stonepebble

            And get a Royale avec fromage.

          • Born to Ride

            No thanks, I’m a Dapper Dan man. Oh wait…

          • Sayyed Bashir

            In-N-Out Burger, CA, AZ, NV, UT, TX.

          • Rocky Stonepebble

            Now with hot chocolate.

          • spiff

            Dude! Ever animal style? Geez.

          • Born to Ride

            I knew someone would call me out! I get chopped peppers and grilled onions, but thousand island is a no go for me. So it’s mostly animal style!

          • Rocky Stonepebble
          • spiff

            Btw, well done on the purchase (the bike). When I trek your way, we will have to waste an afternoon riding the hills.

          • Alaskan18724

            KTM has always struck me as having a Teutonic, form-follows-function design paradigm. The Big Four Japanese companies all know how to build a lovely motorcycle; the whole origami/Godzilla/transformer vibe feels more formy than functiony, and I guess is targeted at millennials and other children who carry their taste in their mouths. CB750s, GS1000Ss, XS11s, Z1s, we know they can build beautiful motorcycles….Heck, the Z900RS Café that Rocky gets but we don’t (for whatever misbegotten reason)….

          • Rocky Stonepebble

            So correct. They were “ghastly.”

            😂

          • Alaskan18724

            They might inspire the armies of certain nations to drop their rifles without being asked….

          • Rocky Stonepebble

            Not Great Britain. What countries might they be?

          • Alaskan18724

            Bingo. Not Great Britain.

          • Rocky Stonepebble

            😉

            C’mon. Be France Frank with me. Who is it? lol

          • spiff

            Looks aren’t the most important hurdle in the race, just the first.

          • hipsabad

            Agreed. Performance IS accuracy. Looks are for ladies. Or, as Proust remarked, “Let us leave pretty women to men of no imagination.”

          • DickRuble

            Agreed about bikes, but it’s worth noting that there are some limitations to the practical application of the principle to women.

          • Rocky Stonepebble

            Or, like I said a week or so ago, “You can’t ride looks.”

            But, I’d like to not have to get drunk and turn the lights down low before I mount that … or, have to sneak up to gas pumps. Petro-Canada has standards, don’t you know.

            After all, “Can’t ride ’em, if you can’t get ‘er up!”

          • Alaskan18724

            I never claimed to have an imagination. Leave them to me.

          • Rocky Stonepebble

            “Ya don’t look at the mantelpiece when you’re poking the fire.”

          • Born to Ride

            Hahaha 🍻

          • Old MOron

            Ha, and Rodney Dangerfield added, “C’mon Baby, I know I’m ugly, but try to use your imagination.”

  • SRMark

    I’ll take the Enfield.

    • Sayyed Bashir

      Don’t tell Dick Ruble.

  • Tanner

    good luck finding a ktm 690 in stock anywhere. Rare bike

    • Rocky Stonepebble

      Does that include Canada? Because one place way west of me (closer to Trawna) claims they have three. Mind you, I am near the economic centre of Kanadastan.

      Are you in a rural area?

      The reason I ask, is that that is one of the bikes on my list and I should enjoy a variety of colours from which to choose, and competition for my disposable dollar.

    • Sayyed Bashir

      You put down a deposit at the KTM dealer and your bike will come from Austria three months later. That’s what I had to do to get my 2015 KTM 1190 Adventure R.

  • Alaskan18724

    Huh. IPhone won’t let me attach photos.

  • Auphliam

    Oddly enough, out of that whole list, I find myself wanting the Vespa LOL

    • Alaskan18724

      Vespas are cool. Scooter power! Anyone who thinks not has lost the joy of childhood. Who among us doesn’t remember the raw fun of minibikes? Throw a leg over—er, step through, and roll it on. Yeehaw.

      • Rocky Stonepebble

        There’s two ugly things I won’t ride. A Vespa, and your m …

  • Mad4TheCrest

    Sub-10k is great, and there are some amazing deals out there right now for bikes all across the price range. Now is a good time to be looking for a new bike, price-wise, but damn the variety makes it hard to choose! Would you go for the sub-10 bike or plunk down for that 0% interest Ducati you’ve lusted for?

    This is a good time for buyers, but I gotta think the dealers are getting desperate, which doesn’t look good for the industry.