2001 H-D FXSTD Deuce vs. BMW R1200 C Phoenix
Swing low, sweet chariot...
Further visual differences between the standard R1200C and our Phoenix include the two-tone Mandarin and Graphite paint scheme, a smoked windscreen and a lack of a pillion pad. The two-tone paint job features hand-painted striping accentuating the natural lines and curves of the bike. The smoked windscreen proved effective considering its size. It did take much of the wind off of the chest area, but don't count on it for all-weather riding protection. The solo-seat configuration was chosen to compliment the minimalist lines of the back-end of the bike. For those that wish to take a traveling companion, the solo-seat can be swapped out for the standard dual-seat.
Handling is completely predictable as is normally the case with a BMW. The Telelever front suspension delivered as advertised and offered dive-free braking while cornering remained smooth and settled. Its single-sided swingarm exhibited very mild driveline lash but caused little concern for any testers. The trellis-style sub-chassis and engine combine to form a very flex-resistant and stiff frame.
How do they compare? They both get looks. And, while the Phoenix handled better, the side-stand would put a frequent damper on our left-turn fun. The Deuce, on the other hand, wasn't as agile or quick-steering as the BMW. An almost 200 pound weight difference assures that the Deuce will never be mistaken for an agile and nimble ride. Still, it was predictable and could carry nearly equal amounts of lean angle no matter what direction you turned. The sidestand did get in the way on aggressive lefts, but it didn't impede nearly as much as the BMW's ground-finder did. Both twin-cylinder powerplants could use a horsepower injection, and both transmissions were notchy, but positive. The Deuce had a more laid-back cruiser position, while the BMW had a more upright, standard seating position. What we have here is two different machines designed to fill the exact same niche: big-bore, twin-cylinder boulevard cruiser -- with panache.
If we picked the Deuce as the winner, would we be denying the R1200C's sharp handling and innovative good-looks? Nothing else on two wheels is as cruiserish without emulating something out of Milwaukee. Conversely, if we picked the Phoenix, would we deny the FXSTD's soft curves, trend-setting good looks and predictable handling?
Which route do we go? Aye, and there's the rub (no pun intended). If it makes any difference, the Phoenix iteration of the R1200C is on a limited production run of only 200 units. The Deuce, on the other hand, is a standard Harley production model. If you have the greens to front for some exclusivity, the Phoenix would get the nod. Nevertheless, given its proven upgradability and ultra-relaxed riding position, the Softail Deuce wins it for us.
"Ah shi*, a be-em-dub and a Harley... they's expensive ain't they?"
"Uh, yea, the BMW has an MSRP of $15,100, while the Deuce has one for $16,235."
"I guess peeps don't buy'em fo' da cost though..."
"No, no they sure don't"
Brent "Minime" Avis
Handling wise, the BMW is able to bomb around right-handers like no cruiser's business. ample ground clearance good feedback make it a clockwise-carver. Left handers, though, you'd better watch out. I think I dragged the kickstand once when I was upright at a stopsign. Seems you don't even need to put the stand out for it to hold the bike up. It drags THAT early.
Conversely, the Deuce was pretty good all around. Of the Harleys, it's the bike that I think best combines boulevard looks with decent cornering performance. You can rail right along on this bike.
The HD also had decent brakes that were hampered only by a lack of outright power (where's dual discs?) and severe fork dive that didn't match up well with the rather stiff rear end. The BMW, meanwhile, was more balanced and had beter brakes -- sometimes. The BMW had brakes that were a bit mushy and often needed one pump before you actually applied the brakes. Not a good thing.
The motors were a surprise on the dyno. the BMW felt like it had more power than the numbers suggest. Maybe there's less weight there? Anyway, the H-D felt choked off and needs pipes (stage one!) while the BMW was just about boulevard perfect. It did its job well and turned more heads than the BMW! Great paint, cool windscreen, BBS rims, beautiful brushed aluminium (spelt british way, of course), chrome everywhere and impeccable detail in styling set this bike apart from the crowd.
The H-D looks like, well, a Harley. I loved its looks but the BMW was just so different -- in a cool way -- that it gets my nod here.
Oh, the ergos: The BMW puts you in more of a position of control, whereas the Harley is more of a "let's cruise to the beer store and back" pose position.
Max Power = 61.6 hp @ 5250 rpm
Max Torque = 72.2 ft/lbs @ 3100 rpm
Max Power = 56.4 hp @ 5000 rpm
Max Torque = 65.7 ft/lbs @ 3000 rpm
BMW R1200C Phoenix (Independent)
Engine : Fuel-Injected, Air/Oil Cooled, Horizontely Opposed, 4-valve, twin cylinder.
Bore x Stroke : 101mm x 73mm
Displacement : 1170cc
Compression : 10:1
Ignition : Electronic
Fuel Capacity : 4.5 gallons
Transmission : 5 speed with dry clutch
Drive : Shaft
Front Suspension : Telelever, non-adjustable.
Rear Suspension : Monolever, preload adjustable.
Front Brake : 2x 305mm floating rotors, 4-piston caliper, ABS II
Rear Brake : 1x 285mm floating mount, 2-piston caliper, ABS II
Front Wheel : 2.5 x 18in
Rear Wheel : 4.0 x 15in
Overall Length : 92.1 in (2340 mm)
Wheelbase : 65.0 in (1650 mm)
Ground Clearance : 6.8 in (172 mm)
Seat Height : 29.1 (740 mm)
Rake, Trail : 60.5 deg, 3.39 in (86 mm)
Claimed Dry Weight : 482 lbs. (219 kg)
Harley-Davidson FXSTDI Softail Deuce
Engine : Fuel-Injected, Air cooled, 2-valve, V-Twin
Bore x Stroke : 95.25mm x 101.6 mm
Displacement : 1450cc
Compression : 8.9:1
Ignition : Electronic
Fuel Capacity : 4.9 gallons
Transmission : 5 speed with dry clutch
Drive : Belt
Front Suspension : Standard, non-adustable.
Rear Suspension : Standard, preload adjustable.
Front Brake : Single, 292mm, 4-piston caliper
Rear Brake : Single, 292mm, 2-piston caliper
Front Wheel : 21 in
Rear Wheel : 17 in
Overall Length : 95.4 in (2422 mm)
Wheelbase : 66.6 in (1690.3 mm)
Ground Clearance : 5.6 in (140.9 mm)
Seat Height : 26 in (658.9 mm)
Rake, Trail : 34 deg, 5.0 in (127 mm)
Claimed Dry Weight : 644.6 lbs (292.7 kg)