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Old 01-04-2005, 02:45 PM   #101
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Oh, wait a minute. Now let me understand, if I decide in June that I want an FJR for the summer riding season, I should have been smart enough to know such a thing back in March. Guess what, I already learned that lesson the first year they sold them. I got my bike in August so I could enjoy about a month and a half of the riding season (weather permitting). This program only pisses the customers and the dealers off. There is no real answer for why they do it other then their ongoing, "We know what's good for you attitude!" As a life long Yamaha customer, all I can say is bring me my MT-01 and don't package it in one of these stupid programs!



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Old 01-04-2005, 04:07 PM   #102
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I've seen 3 in Missouri that dealers are discounting by 1000 bucks right off the bat. There is a new FJR sitting in the dealership of DGY in Downers Grove, and has been there for 3 months. Want it? I'll ride it over next week.
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Old 01-04-2005, 04:16 PM   #103
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Not sure which Ebay you are looking at but there are 2 for sale right now, one new and one used. The new one I would bet you could get for 1000 under list, and there is a 2004 with 8800 miles and 8200 made reserve.



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...sPageName=WDVW



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Old 01-04-2005, 04:33 PM   #104
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Want one RIGHT NOW? Forget your dealer - check ebay. Here's a 2005 with three miles: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...sPageName=WDVW



Like the silver better? Try this 2004 model with 8900 miles: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...sPageName=WDVW

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Old 01-04-2005, 04:41 PM   #105
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Um, we're not a collection of psychological responses?



Permit me to get annoyed for a moment, as I am one of the reptilian sub-humans to which you refer.



You'll get no argument from me as to whether there are marketers that engage in shameless and empty games. There are and always will be.



However, most transparent marketing ploys are usually rejected by consumers. And that usually hurts the companies. There is an incentive not to pursue these avenues if the marketer is paying attention. Some don't, and when they get stung they may start to. Others never really learn.



In my experience (and I stress MY experience) working on the ad agency side, we advise companies not to do such things. In fact, I spend a good part of my time trying to sell interesting and *gasp* thought-provoking ideas to people who could really give a rat's a$$ about reality. So let's not blame the ad agencies for everything. In the end, we can only deliver what our clients' allow us to create.



Now, the thing that people overlook is that companies that spend a lot of money establishing a brand name are more likely to produce good products and services. Most don't invest all that money in a brand to later sh#t on it by ripping off its customers intentionally. (The ones who do usually fail.) That's why most people buy "brand names." If you were in marketing, you've probably heard this argument before.



As far as the FJR issue goes, I don't know enough to say if it's strictly a ploy or not. I do know that it's frustrating to many people and that could have negative effects for Yamaha down for the line. But since I don't have an insider's view, or a crystal ball, I really couldn't say.





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Old 01-04-2005, 04:42 PM   #106
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Tuesday Morning’s Best Lap Times:



1. Mat Mladin, Suz GSX-R1000 Superbike, 1:40.547

2. Ben Spies, Suz GSX-R1000 Superbike, 1:41.222

3. Neil Hodgson, Duc 999F05 Superbike, 1:41.312

4. Aaron Yates, Suz GSX-R1000 Superstock, 1:41.671

5. Jason Pridmore, Suz GSX-R1000 Superstock, 1:42.175

6. Vincent Haskovec, Suz GSX-R1000 Superstock, 1:42.589

7. Damon Buckmaster, Yam YZF-R1 Superstock, 1:42.673

8. Tommy Hayden, Kaw ZX-10R Superstock, 1:43.170

9. Josh Hayes, Kaw ZX-10R Superbike, 1:43.330

10. Eric Bostrom, Duc 999F05 Superbike, 1:43.395

11. Roger Lee Hayden, Kaw ZX-10R Superbike, 1:43.484

12. Jason DiSalvo, Yam YZF-R6 Supersport, 1:43.510

13. Tommy Hayden, Kaw ZX-6RR Supersport, 1:43.784

14. Miguel Duhamel, Hon CBR600RR Formula Xtreme, 1:44.053

15. Aaron Gobert, Yam YZF-R6 Supersport, 1:44.156

16. Michael Barnes, Yam YZF-R6 Supersport, 1:44.325

17. Jake Zemke, Hon CBR1000RR Superbike, 1:45.037

18. Steve Rapp, Suz GSX-R1000 Superstock, 1:46.003

19. Mike Ciccotto, Buell XB12R Formula Xtreme, 1:46.027

20. Taylor Knapp, Yam YZF-R6 Supersport, 1:46.176

21. Ben Spies, Suz GSX-R600 Supersport, 1:46.423

22. Jake Zemke, CBR600RR Formula Xtreme, 1:46.497

23. Geoff May, Suz GSX-R600 Supersport, 1:46.662

24. Ben Attard, Kaw ZX-6RR Formula Xtreme, 1:47.302

25. Alex Gobert, Hon CBR600RR Formula Xtreme, 1:47.351

26. Matt Lynn, Suz GSX-R1000 Superstock, 1:47.932

27. Dan Bilansky, Buell XB12R Formula Xtreme, 1:54.548

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Old 01-04-2005, 05:03 PM   #107
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Johnny, you're probably right. I don't have the slightest clue as to what an accurate U.S. sales projection for this bike might be (you may have a better understanding since you have some relationship with the company), but if Yamaha really thought it could sell 10,000 bikes here, they probably wouldn't have this program. My gut tells me that they don't feel like they can sell too many more yet, so they're being conservative. The worst thing for them would be to have a couple of thousand leftovers sitting on showroom floors. If it's a low production bike, their margins have to be higher--leftovers and discounts are the kiss of death.



And I'd have to think that regardless of Yamaha's might and the relatively small production numbers for the FJR, they're trying to make a profit on a bike like this; it's no loss-leader.



That being said, I can see why it frustrates people. I wouldn't want to buy a bike I couldn't see, and at least sit on, before I buy. And the waiting for delivery kinda sucks. Then again, I don't HAVE to buy one. No one does.



Yamaha could be shooting themselves in the foot or it could be working just as they say. We'll see.
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Old 01-04-2005, 05:25 PM   #108
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Not a bad showing for Ciccotto. Bilansky could, er, use a bit more practice, no?
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Old 01-04-2005, 05:29 PM   #109
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Agreed. Let's find more ways to soak the public... come on Yamaha, you know we want the bike produce it will ya?!
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