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Winger4Life 02-07-2004 09:07 AM

Re: 2005 FJR 1300 Ordering & Info
fair enough. I see your point.

wrecks 02-07-2004 12:47 PM

Re: 2005 FJR 1300 Ordering & Info
This type of marketing is what differentiates Yamaha from Honda. This is typical of Yamaha to undersupply the market; most of their new motorcycles need to be pre-purchased early in the season. >>At the the bike show in Calgary, Yamaha people were saying I'd have to have a deposit on a new R1 before March if I wanted one.<< This gives them a bit of exclusivity, and may help them retain their value. (anyone have figures?)

This is in black and white contrast to Honda, who floods the market all season, giving their dealers more than they can sell, and forcing them to "blow out" non-currents at wholesale the following year.

I think Honda makes great motorcycles, but it is this market flooding that has made them Number One. As for Yamaha, their undersupplying may be holding them back... but... it may also make their bikes (new and used) more desirable.

Mooner 02-07-2004 12:48 PM

Re: 2005 FJR 1300 Ordering & Info
"Without being rude or flaming I could ask you the same question, if you're going to ride around on a Goldwing all the time why bother at all? if comfort and distance is your main criteria why not get a Lincoln LS or a Lex. To me a Goldwing or K1200LT is little more than a two-wheel car."

Darn, beat me to it. Remember dude, to each his own.


wrecks 02-07-2004 12:49 PM

Re: 2005 FJR 1300 Ordering & Info
BTW that FJR is a brilliant motorcycle. (especially in that new blue) I haven't ridden one yet but I think they've nailed it.

Honda would have to either add 30 Hp or drop 50 lbs from the ST for it to be a serious contender for this machine. (for my dollars anyways)

Buzglyd 02-07-2004 01:40 PM

We know why you really ride a Wing.
It's to hook up lights! Lots of lights everywhere! More than an 18 wheeler.

Don't forget the Yosemite Sam mudflaps.

sarnali 02-07-2004 03:52 PM

Re: We know why you really ride a Wing.
I like the little chrome girlies that dangle under the trunk, if I could find them I'd put some on my Trophy

sarnali 02-07-2004 04:08 PM

Re: To each, his or her own
Thats exactly how I feel, I ride what I like and respect your decision to ride what you like.

sarnali 02-07-2004 04:12 PM

Re:neener neener
Hey Buz and Ser, I'm putting a dent in some 10 year old Irish single malt and listening to "traditional" Celtic strings while my girls cook me dinner

It don't get much better than this, boys.

Agent0090 02-07-2004 05:57 PM

Re: 2005 FJR 1300 Ordering & Info
Man, I can't believe you knocked the Pinto.

Whipped out the econ text books and thunk a little bit about this problem. I found the following thought exercise to be helpful:

Company Y makes widgets. That's widget spelled "F-J-R." It prices the widgets at about $13,000, a price at which it expects to make a reasonable profit per widget, assuming it sells X number of widgets. Suddenly the marketing research weenie says "Hey, that F-J-R widget kicks a$$! At $13,000, you could probably sell a number n > X!" (Marketing research weenies have a way with words. That's why they get all the hot chicks.) This being almost a year until production of the 2005 model year is expected- it has to be just the right shade of blue, mind you- Company Y could probably ramp up production to sell a number n > X, and increase profits accordingly. So why don't they just do that? They get more $$, we get more bikes, and nobody waits in line.

Then it dawned on me:


What makes much more sense is that Company Y is kind of concerned that n may actually be < X, and having read a story about painting a certain fence that was written by a man fond of steamboats, they learned the lesson. Make it COOL to put down your money early and wait for a long time to get what you want. (The aforementioned author being distinctly American, it seems that an American motorcycle company has already figured out this trick to getting a fence painted and has enjoyed great success with the strategy.) Thus imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and now metric motorcyclers can have inconvienience of deposits and long, uncertain waits for the ride of their dreams. Bravo! May the free market prevail! Go buy a Kawi Concours! (After this many years, they can't be wrong.)

Blue_Are1 02-07-2004 07:59 PM

Re: 2005 FJR 1300 Ordering & Info
You can find FJR's available at some dealers, you just have to look around a little. Some of the dealers are ordering bikes under fake names just to have some extra bikes in stock.

I've heard of a few people walking in to dealers and being able to buy them on the spot.

I think Yamaha is worried about the prospective buyers having the typical sport-bike rider mentality, if it isn't the latest and greatest then it's doomed to sit in the showroom until it's heavily discounted. Just like what happen's every year with left over 954's, R1's and GIX 1K's. As soon as a new one is introduced the leftovers are practically given away.

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