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saaz · 08-27-2003, 08:42 PM

Nothing wrong with advances. As for soul, may or may not be different to performance. It seems to be the US preoccupation with performance and price and sports bikes thats makes manufacturers do this.

You may like the cruiser class, as they are getting bigger and heavier!!

schizuki · 08-27-2003, 09:15 PM

Yeah, where's the innovation in sportbikes? Do something different. Perimeter brakes. An ultra-short wheelbase for handling. Belt drive (the efficiency of a chain and maintenance-free). And is there a law you have to have a fuel tank? Why not put the gas in the frame? Hell, you could probably put the engine oil in the swingarm.

Yep, nobody's thinking outside the box. Same ol' same ol' constantly-improving power-to-weight ratio. Wake me up when we get telepathic steering and antigrav drive.

nokneedragin · 08-28-2003, 04:31 AM

As everyone knows every cruiser looks diferent and has a totally different design, oops wait they don't. As for what ya see on a city street every sat night, anyone on a city street is probably a poser.

seruzawa · 08-28-2003, 05:14 AM

Hey, they're just trying to give the buyers what they will pay for. Trackready sportbikes are the in thing. Of course about the same percentage of these bikes will hit the track as the percentage of SUVs that see a dirt road.

Now, the Big4 need to also provide for the sportbikers other accessories that they need. Around here apparently that would be designer-logo ball caps, t-shirts and sandals to match the CBRYZGSXZXRRR's paint scheme.

seruzawa · 08-28-2003, 05:46 AM

Maybe there's a new CBR1000.. but Honda's discounted the 954 some 2 grand. You can get one fer $8500. Or you can wait and pay 11000 for the new one. Either bike's gonna be far beyond 99.999% of the buyer's capabilities.

But you won't have bragging rights at the local bistro if you buy the ancient hopelessly obsolete last year's WWII-era CBR954. You'll just have to hang your head in shame because all the mags will tell you how much incredibly better the new CBR1000 is.

P.S. Don't go to the track on yer new CBR1000. It's more than mildly embarassing to get passed by some old guy on a KTM Duke. Instead just hang with your buddies at the Rock Store and compare magazine reviews and dyno charts. And don't forget the matching power ranger suit. Be extra careful 'cause you don't want to get a scratch on either the bike or the suit.

PPS. Get some sandpaper and sand down the sidewalls of your tires to hide the chicken strips.

Holy_Kaw · 08-28-2003, 06:45 AM

Much less powerful motors? Much more weight? That option exists, just get a trailer...

Holy_Kaw · 08-28-2003, 06:56 AM

Form over function? I see beauty in form follows function. I prefer functional form and a comfortable ride. I don't think cornering clearance is going to be hampered by the exhausts of any of the new sportbikes, on the street.

josxr · 08-28-2003, 07:22 AM

new rules restrict 4 cylinders machines to 600cc in FX next year

sarnali · 08-28-2003, 08:08 AM

well yeah, they could even get a muffler of a '75 LTD and put it under the motor, and put a soap dish in the middle of the rear fender.

sarnali · 08-28-2003, 08:21 AM

Don't forget to sand those knee pucks to match the tires!

But you're right, who would buy one of those rolling turd CBR 954's ?. All the magazines say the GSXR 1000 is faster and handles better. Even the old version "02 R 1 is faster, it said so on the TV commercial.

If you're gonna' run with the fast boyz you need the latest up to date ride, Then you have to toss all that stock garbage like the Titanium exhaust and jetting or EFI chip and everyone knows the stock brake pads belong on a bus.

Yessir'ee if you're going to compete on the street you NEED the same mods the racer's use, otherwise you might as well be riding an antique A/O cooled Suzuki or Harley or something.

It's just no fun unless your bike is the fastest.

08-27-2003, 08:42 PM	#11
saaz Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 84	Re: 2004 R1? Are these for real? Nothing wrong with advances. As for soul, may or may not be different to performance. It seems to be the US preoccupation with performance and price and sports bikes thats makes manufacturers do this. You may like the cruiser class, as they are getting bigger and heavier!!

08-27-2003, 09:15 PM	#12
schizuki Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Just hangin' in Milan with Clara Posts: 4,997	Re: 2004 R1? Are these for real? Yeah, where's the innovation in sportbikes? Do something different. Perimeter brakes. An ultra-short wheelbase for handling. Belt drive (the efficiency of a chain and maintenance-free). And is there a law you have to have a fuel tank? Why not put the gas in the frame? Hell, you could probably put the engine oil in the swingarm. Yep, nobody's thinking outside the box. Same ol' same ol' constantly-improving power-to-weight ratio. Wake me up when we get telepathic steering and antigrav drive. __________________ *Reverēre meam auctōritātem* "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own."

08-28-2003, 04:31 AM	#13
nokneedragin Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 771	Re: 2004 R1? Are these for real? As everyone knows every cruiser looks diferent and has a totally different design, oops wait they don't. As for what ya see on a city street every sat night, anyone on a city street is probably a poser.

08-28-2003, 05:14 AM	#14
seruzawa The Toad Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: 8501 ft. Posts: 17,393	Re: 2004 R1? Are these for real? Hey, they're just trying to give the buyers what they will pay for. Trackready sportbikes are the in thing. Of course about the same percentage of these bikes will hit the track as the percentage of SUVs that see a dirt road. Now, the Big4 need to also provide for the sportbikers other accessories that they need. Around here apparently that would be designer-logo ball caps, t-shirts and sandals to match the CBRYZGSXZXRRR's paint scheme. __________________ http://www.badmovies.org/movies/deadalive/ I kick @ss for the Lord!

08-28-2003, 05:46 AM	#15
seruzawa The Toad Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: 8501 ft. Posts: 17,393	Re: 2004 R1? Are these for real? Maybe there's a new CBR1000.. but Honda's discounted the 954 some 2 grand. You can get one fer $8500. Or you can wait and pay 11000 for the new one. Either bike's gonna be far beyond 99.999% of the buyer's capabilities. But you won't have bragging rights at the local bistro if you buy the ancient hopelessly obsolete last year's WWII-era CBR954. You'll just have to hang your head in shame because all the mags will tell you how much incredibly better the new CBR1000 is. P.S. Don't go to the track on yer new CBR1000. It's more than mildly embarassing to get passed by some old guy on a KTM Duke. Instead just hang with your buddies at the Rock Store and compare magazine reviews and dyno charts. And don't forget the matching power ranger suit. Be extra careful 'cause you don't want to get a scratch on either the bike or the suit. PPS. Get some sandpaper and sand down the sidewalls of your tires to hide the chicken strips. __________________ http://www.badmovies.org/movies/deadalive/ I kick @ss for the Lord!

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08-28-2003, 06:45 AM	#16
Holy_Kaw Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,230	Re: 2004 R1? Are these for real? Much less powerful motors? Much more weight? That option exists, just get a trailer...

08-28-2003, 06:56 AM	#17
Holy_Kaw Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,230	Re: 2004 R1? Are these for real? Form over function? I see beauty in form follows function. I prefer functional form and a comfortable ride. I don't think cornering clearance is going to be hampered by the exhausts of any of the new sportbikes, on the street.

08-28-2003, 07:22 AM	#18
josxr Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 9	Re: 2004 R1? Are these for real? new rules restrict 4 cylinders machines to 600cc in FX next year

08-28-2003, 08:08 AM	#19
sarnali Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,416	Re; innovations well yeah, they could even get a muffler of a '75 LTD and put it under the motor, and put a soap dish in the middle of the rear fender.

08-28-2003, 08:21 AM	#20
sarnali Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,416	Re:Antiques Don't forget to sand those knee pucks to match the tires! But you're right, who would buy one of those rolling turd CBR 954's ?. All the magazines say the GSXR 1000 is faster and handles better. Even the old version "02 R 1 is faster, it said so on the TV commercial. If you're gonna' run with the fast boyz you need the latest up to date ride, Then you have to toss all that stock garbage like the Titanium exhaust and jetting or EFI chip and everyone knows the stock brake pads belong on a bus. Yessir'ee if you're going to compete on the street you NEED the same mods the racer's use, otherwise you might as well be riding an antique A/O cooled Suzuki or Harley or something. It's just no fun unless your bike is the fastest.