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longride · 02-11-2003, 03:46 PM

Don't start! I'm trying to kill this thing and you keep giving it mouth to mouth!

aknopak · 02-11-2003, 09:21 PM

FYI, the Fazer 600 is nothing like a Seca!

It has an engine based on the Thundercat's, and is generally regarded as one of the smoothest 600's (95 HP, 64 NM). Add the R6/R1 brakes, the same steering geometry as today's 600's (I think more sporty than the Thundercat), relaxed ergo's (no clip-ons), cheap, and you know why it is the best selling bike in Europe since it's introduction.

It has come out on top in _every_ comparison so far, against the SV650, CB600S, Bandit, but also in tests which included a wide variety of bikes. It has never been compared to the Seca because it is a completely different bike.

The best thing is the price, it is only marginally more expensive than the SV650.

Anyway, my main point is, it cannot be compared to the Seca, I think you guys in the US are missing out on a great bike. Each time an SV is recommended on the forum I can't help but thinking the Fazer would be a better choice for most.

pplassm · 02-12-2003, 02:21 AM

Looks like someone deleted the post in question. Can someone repost?

Thanks

pplassm · 02-12-2003, 02:56 AM

Thanks

seruzawa · 02-12-2003, 03:33 AM

Boo hoo. Oh how chastised I feel. Boo hoo.

mconlon · 02-12-2003, 05:02 AM

I'm in publishing, so we deal with copyright and fair use issues all the time.

Publishing excerpts of a longer work, limited to 300 words or less, used in context to your work is fine.

Pulbishing excerpts of poetry or music lyrics is a definite no-no.

If the site scanned a complete Yamaha owner's manual and posted it without permission, they are heinously in the wrong. it would be akin to taking the manual down to the local copy shop, having it copied and bound, and them selling it at a profit. Illegal to the max. They should feel lucky that Yamaha just pulled the plug and is not seeking some kind of punitive damages...

captainwhoopass · 02-12-2003, 07:59 AM

Yes, the Seca 2 really was like the Fazer when it appeared in 1992. It had a smooth, decently powerful engine compared to 600's at the time, (keep in mind that this was 11 years ago), it had the relaxed ergos of the Fazer, it was very cheap, it had good brakes (the same as the top dog Yamaha 600 at the time, the FZR600, except with a single disc), and they even had a specific roadrace series for it with excellent contingency. I will admit that it is a different bike now because it has been repositioned by Yamaha, but comparing the concept of the Fazer today with the concept of the Seca when it was introduced in 1992, it is the same.

captainwhoopass · 02-12-2003, 08:03 AM

BTW, what is a "FUED"?

wheat · 02-12-2003, 08:46 AM

Having a hard time reading? Above it is clearly stated that the group in question not only did not do these things, but Yamaha is seeking to develop a relationship.

Sheesh.

02-11-2003, 03:46 PM	#51
longride Super Duper Mod Man Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Anywhere they let me Posts: 10,484	Re: Yamaha & FZ-1 Site Fued Don't start! I'm trying to kill this thing and you keep giving it mouth to mouth! __________________ I'm a knucklehead

02-11-2003, 09:21 PM	#52
aknopak Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 48	Re: Yamaha Shuts Down, Then Licenses To, FZ-1 Site FYI, the Fazer 600 is nothing like a Seca! It has an engine based on the Thundercat's, and is generally regarded as one of the smoothest 600's (95 HP, 64 NM). Add the R6/R1 brakes, the same steering geometry as today's 600's (I think more sporty than the Thundercat), relaxed ergo's (no clip-ons), cheap, and you know why it is the best selling bike in Europe since it's introduction. It has come out on top in _every_ comparison so far, against the SV650, CB600S, Bandit, but also in tests which included a wide variety of bikes. It has never been compared to the Seca because it is a completely different bike. The best thing is the price, it is only marginally more expensive than the SV650. Anyway, my main point is, it cannot be compared to the Seca, I think you guys in the US are missing out on a great bike. Each time an SV is recommended on the forum I can't help but thinking the Fazer would be a better choice for most.

02-12-2003, 02:21 AM	#53
pplassm Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,875	Hmmmm. Link is gone, now Looks like someone deleted the post in question. Can someone repost? Thanks __________________ Mongo just pawn in game of life.

02-12-2003, 02:56 AM	#54
pplassm Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,875	Nevermind. Thanks __________________ Mongo just pawn in game of life.

02-12-2003, 03:33 AM	#55
seruzawa Robby Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: 8501 ft. Posts: 16,803	Re: Yamaha Shuts Down, Then Licenses To, FZ-1 Site Boo hoo. Oh how chastised I feel. Boo hoo. __________________ I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.

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02-12-2003, 05:02 AM	#56
mconlon Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 145	Re: Yamaha & FZ-1 Site Fued I'm in publishing, so we deal with copyright and fair use issues all the time. Publishing excerpts of a longer work, limited to 300 words or less, used in context to your work is fine. Pulbishing excerpts of poetry or music lyrics is a definite no-no. If the site scanned a complete Yamaha owner's manual and posted it without permission, they are heinously in the wrong. it would be akin to taking the manual down to the local copy shop, having it copied and bound, and them selling it at a profit. Illegal to the max. They should feel lucky that Yamaha just pulled the plug and is not seeking some kind of punitive damages...

02-12-2003, 07:59 AM	#57
captainwhoopass Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,671	Re: Yamaha Shuts Down, Then Licenses To, FZ-1 Site Yes, the Seca 2 really was like the Fazer when it appeared in 1992. It had a smooth, decently powerful engine compared to 600's at the time, (keep in mind that this was 11 years ago), it had the relaxed ergos of the Fazer, it was very cheap, it had good brakes (the same as the top dog Yamaha 600 at the time, the FZR600, except with a single disc), and they even had a specific roadrace series for it with excellent contingency. I will admit that it is a different bike now because it has been repositioned by Yamaha, but comparing the concept of the Fazer today with the concept of the Seca when it was introduced in 1992, it is the same. __________________ <blockquote> \"I knew it. I\'m surrounded by a$$holes.\" [b][i]Lord Helmet, Spaceballs

02-12-2003, 08:03 AM	#58
captainwhoopass Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,671	Re: Yamaha & FZ-1 Site Fued BTW, what is a "FUED"? __________________ <blockquote> \"I knew it. I\'m surrounded by a$$holes.\" [b][i]Lord Helmet, Spaceballs

02-12-2003, 08:46 AM	#59
wheat Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 33	Re: Yamaha & FZ-1 Site Fued Having a hard time reading? Above it is clearly stated that the group in question not only did not do these things, but Yamaha is seeking to develop a relationship. Sheesh.