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Old 02-11-2003, 01:36 PM   #41
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Default Re: Yamaha Shuts Down, Then Licenses To, FZ-1 Site

And Wham,



All the controversial posts are gone.



Just like that.



That was probably necessary, but it sure won't shut down the rumor mill.



I'm a regular of that board and what Wheat says here is totally true.
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Old 02-11-2003, 01:56 PM   #42
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Default Re: Facts seem to be somewhat in dispute

True, if they are providing entire manuals, or even substantial portions. There does appear to be some significant grey area in between, and a commercial use gets a very different than a non-commercial use for those grey areas. For example, a commercial use of even a single illustration would likely be deemed copyright infringment, while the same use by a non-profit educational institution would get a lot more slack. Especially if the copyroght holder is not able to show that they have suffered economic harm as a result.



My point was not so much directed at their legal right as to the appropriateness of the response. A non-commercial use might better have been responded to with a velvet glove instead of an iron fist. This is a commercial, rather than legal, position.



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Old 02-11-2003, 01:59 PM   #43
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This should settle this entire issue:



http://pub29.ezboard.com/ffz1ownersa...D=5574 .topic
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Old 02-11-2003, 03:29 PM   #44
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http://pub29.ezboard.com/ffz1ownersa...D=5574 .topic
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Old 02-11-2003, 03:54 PM   #45
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Default Re: Yamaha & FZ-1 Site Fued

My fault 100% for posting this thing. I started this mess, and now I'm going to end it. Seems like the site wasn't as bad as posted and neither was Yamaha. Both came to an agreement, and the following statement is from their site:





Ok Guys,



Here is the scoop.



I just got off the phone with Brad Bannister and Bob Starr of Yamaha. They were finally able to track down who sent Pat and I the C&D. As I suspected it was an attorney on retainer by Yamaha to protect its intellectual property on the internet. Yamaha has several of these firms working for them and they do not inform Yamaha of every C&D they issue. So it took some time for them to track down exactly who issued the C&D and what it was for.



Long story short, Yamaha is sending me a licensing agreement for the FZ1OA so that we may use their trademarks on our site. I should have it next week some time. Once I do we will put the web site back online.



In closing I'd like you all to know that both Bob and Brad were very apologetic about the situation. They were also very instrumental in getting this resolved in a positive way for the OA. We couldn't have done it without their help.



I would also like to thank Mitch Boehm, Marc Cook and our very own Wyn. These guys really went to bat for us and got me in touch with Brad and Bob.



My hats off to each of you!



Steve





So, I screwed up for posting the thing, Yamaha wasn't sure what went down when things happened, and the site got scared, and people went off. So, is hit the fan and now let it die. I think everyone learned something here. I know I did. Yamaha did right by the site, and the site did right by Yamaha. So please buy your FZ1's with complete confidence. Now I'm going off to stick some needles in my eyes for some pain relief. My apologies to everyone.

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Old 02-11-2003, 04:21 PM   #46
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Oh sure! Nevermiiiiiiiind!
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Old 02-11-2003, 04:24 PM   #47
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Old 02-11-2003, 04:26 PM   #48
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Hey Longride



Don't beat yourself up too much on this. It was news, even if it mostly resulted from a misunderstanding. I suspect a lot of the crap about dealers, manufacturers etc that gets slung on this and many other sites is equally a matter of misunderstanding. Maybe we all learned not to immediately assume the worst.



Not to mention, I found this really informative site on "Fair Use" of copyrighted materials that banda posted. Clarified some issues with things that sometimes get posted here.



All's well that ends well.



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Old 02-11-2003, 04:28 PM   #49
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Hey, looks like you pretty well nailed this one -- see LongRide's post at the end.



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Old 02-11-2003, 04:42 PM   #50
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Oh yeah, meant to ask.....



.........was your pasting of Steve's post covered within "fair use" guidelines?



Actually, it does not appear that the FZ-1 web site is asserting copyright ownership so I doubt that you will get a C&D



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