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The post is incorrect.
Mark Underwood did not even attend the World Finals. He was disqualified after a tear-down in the previous race at Montgomery, AL. His valve angles were changed to allow larger valves. He admitted, and all points for the season were taken away. I was there, and I know he did not qualify with a 9.75, that was at a previous race this season. Vince Woska |
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Yeah, I saw this yesterday on a couple of other sites. Looks like a really cool bike (hey KPaul -- what do you think -- its an inline 4, but its not Japanese
Looks like Triumph is going the same way as the Japanese in this market -- producing 2 distinct models, one cutting edge and the other more broad spectrum. From the press release I read, I got the impression that Triumph intends this bike to be race-competitive. Does this mean we might see some factory supported race teams? I will be interested to see how all the new crop compare. Some pretty exciting new products in this segment this year. Looks like 600 supersport may be the series to watch this year (other than MotoGP, that is). |
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Well ,where are all the obligatory comments deriding Yamaha, a manufacturer of obsolete air-colled pushrod bikes? Oh wait. Air cooled pushrod engines are not an outrage if they are produced by the Japanese.
So sorry. Please excuse me.
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You have the wrong guy. You are describing Rick McWaters (sp?) who rides a Harley. Check out the AMA Prostar website, as they have a story on this.
http://www.amaprostar.com/news/hot_r...qualified.html
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If a Harley had won, you'd get lots of comments, no doubt.
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Obsolete is obsolete.
Better luck next time.
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Note the 50 pound penalty for OHC engines. Otherwise, it looks like lots of fun if not cheap.
They only have to LOOK stockish: 4.3.5.2. CLASS REQUIREMENTS 4.3.5.2.1. Approval of Hot Rod Cruiser Motorcycles Hot Rod Cruiser motorcycles are 4-stroke, V-Twin production cruiser machines produced and manufactured for street use. Approval must be submitted through AMA/Prostar. All bikes must be 1998 or newer factory production models. Only the following brands and models are allowed in competition: Harley- Davidson (V-Rod, Sportster, or FX), Honda (VTX, Shadow), Indian (Scout), Kawasaki (Mean Streak or Vulcan), Suzuki (Intruder), Victory (V92) or Yamaha (Road Star, Warrior). Must have been originally produced as 1100cc to 1800cc model VTwin cylinder class bike. *Minimum weight: SOHC or DOHC 800 lbs, push rods 750 lbs. 4.3.5.2.2. BODY Must have originally been produced as a V-Twin cruiser. Stock fuel tank and side covers mandatory. Modifications to stock fuel tank and side covers are permissible. Fenders may be replaced with cosmetic duplicates of the original parts. Duplicates must visually resemble the original parts in design and style for model year as determined by VIN number. Updating of bodywork permissible only on same models. Lower air dams permissible. Fairings and windscreens prohibited unless OEM. Brand name must appear on both sides of motorcycle. Operational cruiserstyle DOT hi-beam, low-beam headlights and DOT taillights with brake lights required. The use of turn indicators and mirrors is optional. 4.3.5.2.3. BRAKES Hydraulic type, front and rear, mandatory. Minimum size: 7-inch diameter x .187-inch thickness for approved aftermarket rotors or .187-inch thickness OEM rotors. 4.3.5.2.4. CARBURETOR / FUEL INJECTION / INTAKE OEM Fuel injection systems permitted if originally equipped. Aftermarket fuel injection management systems permitted that plug “in-line” with bike’s ECU, must plug into stock wiring harness. Aftermarket units must be generally available commercial parts that retail for under $1,000. Electronic or mechanical enrichening devices must remain installed, but may be deactivated. Fuel lines and vent lines may be replaced. Aftermarket fuel filters may be added. Multi-aftermarket carburetors/throttle bodies permitted with a maximum of (1) one carburetor/throttle body throat per cylinder, multi-dual throat carburetors/throttle bodies not allowed. Fuel injection may be replaced with carburetors. Snap back throttle return is mandatory. 4.3.5.2.5. CLUTCH Slider clutches prohibited. No clutch management parts i.e.; airclutch, proportioning valves or hydraulics, allowed. Cable operated clutch can be converted to manually activated hydraulic clutch. Mechanical lock-ups permitted. 4.3.5.2.6. CONTROLS Handlebar controls must be located in the stock position. Brake pedal, shift lever may be rear set, but foot pegs must be at least 15-inches in front of rear axle vertical centerline. 4.3.5.2.7. ELECTRICAL Computers and/or data recorders prohibited. Exhaust gas temperature meters permitted. IGNITION: Aftermarket ignition box permitted. Replacements must be available for immediate shipment from U.S. warehouses to any of the manufacturer’s U.S. retail outlets for sale to the public. Availability must be maintained throughout the current racing season. The use of external belt drive magneto ignitions and 2-steps are prohibited. 4.3.5.2.8. ENGINE Must be an 1100 to 1800cc 4-stroke V-twin cylinder production engine specifically designed and manufactured for a production motorcycle with a maximum displacement of 1800cc. Class limit displacement may be achieved by cylinder overbore only - stock stroke length must be maintained. No Nitrous, turbo or superchargers permitted. Engine manufacturer will determine make of bike. Engine type or configuration, crankshaft configuration and stroke, cam drive location in the engine, number of valves, material and castings of cylinders, cylinder heads, and crankcases and any major element used in the crankshafts and camshafts may not be altered from the original model except as noted. OEM crankshafts may be lightened. Aftermarket, stock size rods are permissible; titanium rods prohibited. CYLINDER HEADS: Stock OEM cylinder heads mandatory. Porting permissible. Valve locations and angles may not be altered. Oversize valves permitted. Aftermarket rocker arms and push rods (for push rod engines) permitted. CYLINDER: OEM cylinder casting mandatory. Cylinder sleeving, replating or recoating permitted. CAMSHAFTS: Reground OEM or aftermarket cam shafts permitted. Cam shaft drive may converted to chain drive or gear drive. TRANSMISSION: Stock OEM., Transmission must be shifted from gear to gear manually or by air or electric shifter. RPM or computer-shifted gearboxes are prohibited. Bikes must be ridden from end of track to tech under power (not pushed or towed). Final drive may be converted to shaft, belt or chain. Push starting or roller starts are not permitted. External starters are prohibited. 4.3.5.2.9. FRAME Stock OEM frames required. Frame must display vehicle identification number (VIN) in original location. Strengthening modifications to stock frames are permitted as long as the frame is not weakened. Strengthening gussets and/or tubes may be added but none removed. Accessory brackets (radiator, shock reservoir, etc.) may be changed, relocated or removed unless they also serve as a strengthening member. Steering head angle may not be less than stock rake or more than 38 degrees maximum rake. Swing arms and struts may not be welded to frame.Struts, if used, must be “bolt on” with a maximum of (3) struts per side. Minimum seat height, with rider in position and seat compressed, measured from lowest point of seating position to ground is 18-inches. Frame strengthening gussets/tubes and replacement brackets must be made from 4130 chrome moly steel on OEM steel frames or a compatible aluminum allow on OEM aluminum frames. All welding must be done by using accepted heliarc process in a “workmanship” like manner. Frames may be polished. Wheelbase: Maximum 68-inch. 4.3.5.2.10. FRONT SUSPENSION The use of retention straps is prohibited. Standard production internal parts of forks may be modified to alter damping qualities. Aftermarket damper kits or valves may be installed. Fork springs may be replaced with optional or aftermarket springs. Fork caps may be modified or replaced to allow external adjustment of fork springs only. A fork brace may be added or replaced with an aftermarket brace. Minimum required suspension travel is 1-inch. Maximum fork tube exposure above the upper triple clamp or clip-ons is 1 1/2-inch. A steering damper is required. 4.3.5.2.11. FUEL Gasoline only. All bikes must have a method to provide a fuel sample from the fuel line system. Sample must be able to be taken from a line between the carburetor and fuel pump or pet*****. In fuel injected systems, the sample may be drawn from the fuel return line between the injectors and the tank, on the low pressure side of the circuit. At the tech inspector’s discretion, fuel samples may be taken from any location. Any Prostar approved fuel (including oxygenated fuels) may be used, in an unmodified state - and must pass Prostar fuel check. The use of propylene oxide is prohibited. (See Fuel, 2.6:1,2,5 & 6.) Allow enough fuel for a periodic two-mile ride prior to a qualifying or elimination run. 4.3.5.2.12. FUEL SYSTEMS Artificial cooling or heating systems, i.e.; cool cans, ice, freon, whippets, etc. prohibited. Circulating systems, not part of OEM fuel pump system, prohibited. 4.3.5.2.13. SEAT Custom seats with a step to prevent the rider from sliding backwards are recommended. Seat, tail section, and rear fender may be incorporated in one unit. 4.3.5.2.14. TIRES & WHEELS DOT motorcycle street tires only, slicks prohibited. Rear wheel, up to 18-inch diameter. Front wheel, up to 21-inch diameter. Wheels constructed of carbon fiber or carbon composite are prohibited. |
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'Might be a bit of (big) manufacturers' "political" influence involved here.. but then again, maybe not... It seems the rules were "clarified" periodically (or at least I was given to understand so...).
I know of a (privateer)Confederate Hellcat that was not allowed to play (113"/1857cc evo was standard - but the rules committee? disallowed a de-stroked version @100"/1640cc); and, the bike was too light @497# dry... the 155# pilot would have to add 100# of plate-weight to meet the weigth minimum. I can't help but think it might have been interesting. |
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The answer to why is right here:
"Must be an 1100 to 1800cc 4-stroke V-twin cylinder production engine specifically designed and manufactured for a production motorcycle with a maximum displacement of 1800cc." The engine in a Hellcat is not in that cc range in a production state, nor is it specifically designed for the bike it is used in, so it very clearly is illegal. No argument is possible here. The Warrior is also too light- they add weight too. Check out that metal plate underneath the engine.
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