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Old 04-23-2006, 11:50 PM   #51
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Default Re: Ksquid's ''...long, painful death of the V-Twin sportbike.'' Continues...

Or perhaps it is just that the bikes are race bikes with race riders on race tracks! Not necessary relevant for road use really. Good for bench racers to argue endlessly about.
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Old 04-24-2006, 04:59 AM   #52
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Default Re: Ksquid's ''...long, painful death of the V-Twin sportbike.'' Continues...

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Old 04-24-2006, 05:21 AM   #53
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Default Maybe in raceing but not on the street.

One trend that I really hate is this tieing of racebikes to street bikes.

The best bike on the track is almost never the best bike on the street. Think about the 600 class. To win races you need to make the most horse power you can. To do that with a fixed engine size you have two choices. Spin it really fast or forced induction. Since forced induction is not allowed you really only have on choice. Okay fine for a race track but on the street you end up with the new R6 which has a power curve like an old two-stroke. The motorcycle magizines don't help much. Look at MO's story on 600s. They ask is the new Triumph is "cheating". If you are not racing in a class who cares what the displacement of the bike is? For street bikes wouldn't it be more logical ot compair bikes based on cost?

If somebody came out with a 750 or 800 twin that weighed about 360 lbs, made around 120hp, and cost under 9,000 what would you compair it to? Why not put it in with the 600 street bikes?

My other question is simply if someone made such a bike who here wouldn't want to trade in there 600 for a bike that handled as well, made as much power, and had a much better power curve?

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Old 04-24-2006, 05:31 AM   #54
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Default Re: Maybe in raceing but not on the street.

Exactly. Twins and Triples are awesome for the street. Fours are not, and I own one.



My next bike is a sporty Twin or a Triumph 675.
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Old 04-24-2006, 05:31 AM   #55
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Default Re: Ksquid's ''...long, painful death of the V-Twin sportbike.'' Continues...

i watched the WSB race this weekend ... it was AMAZING to watch corser suck the headlight out of bayliss' duck, lap after lap, on the long straightaway, only to have bayliss catch back up in the tighter sections of the course, eventually passing him.



either bayliss is a heckuva rider or the duck is a LOT gentler on tires, allowing him to make up ground in the race's late stages. i'd guess a combo of the two.
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Old 04-24-2006, 05:32 AM   #56
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Default Re: Ksquid's ''...long, painful death of the V-Twin sportbike.'' Continues...

Actually, it was the point of this thread. I was being ironic.
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Old 04-24-2006, 05:45 AM   #57
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Default Re: Ksquid's ''...long, painful death of the V-Twin sportbike.'' Continues...

2 victories don't make a trend.. But discontinuing racing of the RC51, Suzuki TL1000, and Aprilia Millie V-Twin do...
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Old 04-24-2006, 05:49 AM   #58
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Default Schizuki is muddling the issue. Aprilia moving to V-4 is the key

Aprilia's Leo Mercanti now says the new V-4 is on the way for 2007 and the "V" configuration will be the signature Aprilia engine type Aprilia no longer races a V-Twin. The RC51 is not raced... If you watched the AMA superbike races yesterday. You saw the inlines whip past the two Ducatis..
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Old 04-24-2006, 05:54 AM   #59
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Default Re: Ksquid's ''...long, painful death of the V-Twin sportbike.'' Continues...

Actually the real reason twins make for a better street bike is their access to power at lower rpms. You don't have to keep the bike screaming in order to stay on the power (this has the added benefit of sounding a lot more normal instead of cops hearing that you have the bike WFO from a mile away. Plus, when you get behind cars or in traffic, you don't have to drop two or three gears to kick into the power.



This is why twins (and triples) are far better street bikes. Street riding and track riding are not the same. On the track you are keeping the bike screaming in the upper rpm, and max hp is important.
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Old 04-24-2006, 06:12 AM   #60
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Just a few "dead enders" remain. This is NOT an insurgency!
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