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sv1000rider 01-03-2007 01:55 AM

Re: Triumph Tops 10K Units Sold in the U.S. in '06.
 
Big congrats Triumph! Variety is definitely the spice of life when it comes to motorcycles. Triumph gives the V-2 cruiser/I-4 race-replica scene in the U.S. a breath of fresh air.

seruzawa 01-03-2007 03:19 AM

Re: Triumph Tops 10K Units Sold in the U.S. in '06.
 
Funny how things change. Many moons ago Triumph was the conservative unable-to-change stodgy brand while the Japanese were the innovators experimenting with new ideas. Now it's the opposite with tiny Triumph coming up with the 675 while Honduh (yawn) takes the bodywork off of a scooter and calls it the greatest innovation in history. Big Ruckus is more like Big Snoozefest.

gbrummett 01-03-2007 03:33 AM

Congrats to Triumph
 
Congrats to Triumph



I'm hoping that Buell will wake up and smell the coffee er I mean gas and give us an all new engine and an all new design. This could mean they would have record sales as well.

BrowningBAR 01-03-2007 04:10 AM

Re: Triumph Tops 10K Units Sold in the U.S. in '06.
 
What's going on with Honda? The line up is getting worse every year.



I like cruisers, standards and sportbikes, but Honda really isn't offering anything that make me want to buy anything.



Their cruisers look really plasticy (spelling?). It's really kind of odd, they almost look fake looking.



It seems they dropped the 599 for '07.



The superhawk, that everyone raves about, doesn't look like it's been in their lineup since '05 (and who knows when was the last time they updated it before that).



Their sportbikes look outdated compared to other companies (and sportbike riders are nearly as superficial ad cruiser riders).



Everyone seems to dislike the current version of the VFR and everyone expected it to be redesigned three years ago.



It almost seems like they are just moving away from producing motorcycles (I doubt that's the case, but compare Honda's line up to any other and it really seems possible/odd).



Do they really sell that many Gold Wings that they can let the rest of their line up run stale?


sarnali2 01-03-2007 04:31 AM

Re: Triumph Tops 10K Units Sold in the U.S. in '06.
 
Since Soichiro died they are moving away from motorcycls and more and more to cars unless you count step-through 90's which they sell by the gazzillion in 3rd world countries like Myanmar, Thailand and N. Dakota...

sarnali2 01-03-2007 04:33 AM

Re: Triumph Tops 10K Units Sold in the U.S. in '06.
 
Good for Triumph, I've owned 3 Hinckley Triumphs so far and they've all been fun and reliable. Excellent bikes.

ksquid 01-03-2007 04:37 AM

Who says a small company can't compete with proper engines
 
I think the key lesson for the "Harley, Stay the Course Crowd" of the GPTB is that a small company can build a modern proper engine, put it in a sportbike and beat the big 4. Aprilia is doing it with 1000 V-4 and Ducati does it routinely. But some how the GPTB says Harley can't put a great engine in the Buell.. Imagine if the Buell Firebolt had a world class engine.. Heck I bet they would sell 10 times more Buells...



Congratulations Triumph you deserve it for showing guts and working hard to produce world class products. Products that don't have to rely of marketing slogans, "mystique", or "heritage".. [i][b] OK HD Buell it's your turn to show that America is still the land of free and home of the brave

ksquid 01-03-2007 04:39 AM

Excellent Point
 
Agreed... Seems Honda has forgot their roots and gone corporate. It's a familiar scenario i.e. the founder dies or gets set aside (Apple Steve Jobs) and the thing gets ran by Harvard MBA professional managers who have no passion for the product...

ksquid 01-03-2007 04:41 AM

Re: Congrats to Triumph
 
Well said..

BrowningBAR 01-03-2007 04:45 AM

Re: Excellent Point
 
...except, Apple did something unheard of and brought Jobs back. Who is now looked upon as a god by Mac followers (and rightly so considering what he's done...just ignore that whole stock investigation thing).



It was really surprising since Jobs left under REALLY bad circumstances. Pirate flag and all...


dmc42421 01-03-2007 04:49 AM

Re: Triumph Tops 10K Units Sold in the U.S. in '06.
 
Good point on the Superhawk. It was not that long ago that Colin Edwards on the Honda RC51 took on Ducati in the WSB with great success. From the Mediteranean to North Sea, Euro mfgrs are spicing up life.

BrowningBAR 01-03-2007 04:52 AM

Re: Triumph Tops 10K Units Sold in the U.S. in '06.
 
I'd really like to have a Bonnivelle at some point.



I also liked their Trophy touring bikes. I hope they bring it back.



The Rocket just doesn't look right to me, though. Haven't seen one in person...so maybe that's it...right?

Buzglyd 01-03-2007 04:57 AM

Re: Triumph Tops 10K Units Sold in the U.S. in '06.
 
It's even uglier in person.

ikonoklass 01-03-2007 05:08 AM

Re: Who says a small company can't compete with proper engines
 
If you put the KTM SuperDuke 990 engine in a Buell, you would really have something. Victory saw the potential and tried to buy KTM. Shoulda been Harley.

Zooba 01-03-2007 05:11 AM

Re: Triumph Tops 10K Units Sold in the U.S. in '06.
 
OK, I confess. Right now there are 7 bikes on trickle chrge in my garage. Guess which one gets ridden, even when it's not really riding weather -- a Triumph Scrambler. And yes, there's a nice honest coating of dirt on the skid plate. Great all-around fun bike. Congratulations Triumph!

sarnali2 01-03-2007 05:19 AM

Re: Excellent Point
 
I don't think ol' Soichiro will be back anytime soon, and Tadeo Baba is designing Goldwings now instead of sportbikes.

schizuki 01-03-2007 05:28 AM

Re: Congrats to Triumph
 
That big damp stain over there is what's left of that horse.

BrowningBAR 01-03-2007 05:31 AM

Re: Congrats to Triumph
 
What did you replace it with?

schizuki 01-03-2007 05:39 AM

Re: Congrats to Triumph
 
An all-new liquid-cooled powerplant. Now flowers will grow and children will smile, and there shall be a Buell in every garage and tears no more, hallelujah.

sarnali2 01-03-2007 05:39 AM

Re: Who says a small company can't compete with proper engines
 
Triumph plays off their heritage to a certain degree with the Modern Classic line, but they also crank out thoroghly modern designs as well. Triumphs were always cutting edge sportbikes in their day because that was the market they competed in. Norton, BSA and Triumph as well as Ducati and Laverda where and are about performance, not sh*t-barge land yachts.



That's why John Bloor has succeeded where so many others like Indian, EH and the like have failed. Building modern competetive sportbikes and tourers from the start and establishing the brand before paying homage to the past with the Bonneville series instead of trying to one-up Harley with '50's style cruisers.



IMO the only way Buell would survive with out the Sporty engine is as a total stand alone brand. It's a catch 22 for them. The Sporty engine defines the bike but keeps them tied to HD and back corner status at most dealers. Get rid of the Sporty engine and put a modern engine in it and it looses it's cult appeal and has to compete with bikes like the Ducati, 675 Daytona and Moto Guzzi as non-Japanese performance bikes.



Tough call for them.

seruzawa 01-03-2007 05:41 AM

Re: Triumph Tops 10K Units Sold in the U.S. in '06.
 
Forget the Bonneville. It doesn't have a "proper engine". As soon as Triumph turns the Bonneville into a water cooled I-4 or V-Twin just like every other bike you can consider owning one.



Otherwise your choice in bikes won't be approved by the "experts".




Buzglyd 01-03-2007 05:48 AM

Re: Who says a small company can't compete with proper engines
 
Wouldn't you have a KTM 990 Superduke if you did that?

mhertz17 01-03-2007 05:50 AM

Re: Triumph Tops 10K Units Sold in the U.S. in '06.
 
How about a Tiger 675 for one of the new models? Not everyone wants a bigger and bigger engine and this might make a great all-around bike. Any thoughts?

BrowningBAR 01-03-2007 05:54 AM

Re: Excellent Point
 
So will honda be a scooter and gold wing shop in the next 5-10 years?




schizuki 01-03-2007 05:56 AM

Re: Triumph Tops 10K Units Sold in the U.S. in '06.
 
That makes logical sense. Put more dirt-oriented tires on it and you'd have something closer to a true dual-purpose bike. But you'd be fighting the "bigger and bigger engine" crowd.

schizuki 01-03-2007 05:57 AM

Re: Excellent Point
 
Add "57 varieties of cruiser" and you've nailed it.

BrowningBAR 01-03-2007 06:05 AM

Re: Excellent Point
 
Yeah, but even there cruiser line lacks some serious personality. They've neglected the cruiser line as much as the have their sportbike/standard line.



And from my perspective, they have the weakest line (personality/design) of cruisers out there. My opinion, not fact by any means.

acecycleins 01-03-2007 06:09 AM

Re: Triumph Tops 10K Units Sold in the U.S. in '06.
 
I'm a believer. Not because I work at a Triumph shop, but because I've owned various models from '62-'71. Now, I don't have to own it to ride it- perks of being the Business Mgr. I've been on every model and can tell you that the most fun was actually the lowest hp, slowest bike in the bunch. The Scrambler is a blast for what it is. Doubt me? Test ride one. They are a blast. The next bike I'd buy- T100 w/ sidecar. I've got an 8 yr old that love to ride but she can't see around her big, round dad. Figured the sidecar deal would make her ride more enjoyable.

schizuki 01-03-2007 06:11 AM

Re: Excellent Point
 
Hey, I didn't say "57 interesting varieties of cruiser." I agree with you 100%.

schizuki 01-03-2007 06:13 AM

Re: Who says a small company can't compete with proper engines
 
"Get rid of the Sporty engine and put a modern engine in it and it looses it's cult appeal and has to compete with bikes like the Ducati, 675 Daytona and Moto Guzzi as non-Japanese performance bikes."



Exactly.


BrowningBAR 01-03-2007 06:17 AM

Re: Triumph Tops 10K Units Sold in the U.S. in '06.
 
It would be great if they could get it in at a $6500-7500 price range.



Make it something along the lines of the beemer 650gs. Except it wouldn't be a single and with a few more ponies.

sarnali2 01-03-2007 06:18 AM

Re: Triumph Tops 10K Units Sold in the U.S. in '06.
 
The Bonnie is a V-Twin..."Vertical twin" Just as God and the Prophet Edwin Turner designed it. Those johnny come lately's at Harley couldn't even get that right

seruzawa 01-03-2007 06:19 AM

Re: Excellent Point
 
As far as I'm concerned Honda won't be anywhere. I'm not interested in buying their cars, motorcycles, generators, lawn mowers, etc. All are overpriced and overrated.

seruzawa 01-03-2007 06:37 AM

Re: Who says a small company can't compete with proper engines
 
I'm still trying to figure out what a "modern proper engine" is. Is there some guidance from God on this? Some scrolls found in a cave?



Whatever. I'm sure that Eric isn't stupid enough to listen to the opinions of clowns who've never successfully run a business or designed a motorcycle. Or even changed the oil for that matter.

BrowningBAR 01-03-2007 06:38 AM

Re: Who says a small company can't compete with proper engines
 
I think it's 1-3 years away from HD coming out with something new for the sportster/Buell.



What will it be? D@mned if I know. But I think the Sportster XR might be a hint of a direction.



I couldn't see it being anything that will be what the racer wannabes cry for, but I could see something between 110 and 120hp range (up from 103) and a bit lighter.



Personally I dig the Buell the way it is. It's not supposed to be a superbike so what ever evolution they produce will probable be based on what it currently is.



I would sort of enjoy if they did something funky with the Blast. Maybe up the functionality and make it a motard or something.


schizuki 01-03-2007 06:49 AM

Re: Who says a small company can't compete with proper engines
 
"I would sort of enjoy if they did something funky with the Blast."



+1. Thumpers are cool. And 70 mpg!



Maybe Eric could use something like this for inspiration.




BrowningBAR 01-03-2007 06:58 AM

Re: Who says a small company can't compete with proper engines
 
Cool look!



I'm sure they could bump it up to something in the 45hp range (give or take) and still get some hella-cool MPGs out of it.



Just make the @ss end of it a bit longer. I'm lanky enough as it is. I don't need a bike to emphasize it!



Have they increased the reliability of the Blast. I have always heard hideous things about them in those regards...not sure if you are the right one to ask on this, though :)



Where did Buell get the single in the first place?


schizuki 01-03-2007 07:26 AM

Re: Who says a small company can't compete with proper engines
 
"Have they increased the reliability of the Blast."



No idea. I've heard the same stuff you have.



"Where did Buell get the single in the first place?"



To oversimplify, it's half of their Twin.

sarnali2 01-03-2007 07:36 AM

Re: Who says a small company can't compete with proper engines
 
Come on now, the Sportster engine is a dinosaur. It's barely a unit engine. Buell has done an excelllent job of building a bike around it's limitations but they've gone about as far as they can go with it with pistons, cams and head work, and it runs good but it's still a low rev pushrod engine designed in the early 50's.



A v-twin with a chain or gear driven overhead cams, 4 valves per cyl. and a cassette type gearbox, light flywheels, better intake design and a 10k rev limit would totally wake the bike up and take advantage of his other engineering skills in chassis design and innovation, mass centralization etc..



Porche did a good job for Harley with the Vrod, turn 'em loose on the Buell and make it a true performance bike. Then use the current Buell engine in the Sportster line-up and grow some balls back there too.



Oh yeah, I bought a manual for my bike too and I'm going to change the oil as soon as my neighbor gets home so I can borrow his channel locks. Can I use car oil?

BrowningBAR 01-03-2007 08:10 AM

Re: Triumph Tops 10K Units Sold in the U.S. in '06.
 
Sorry, I'm still interested!



And if I ever get more money than I know what to do with I'm buying several hundred acres of land in Montana and build an indoor dirt and race track with a facilities that can hold several dozen motorcycles, an outdoor shooting range, indoor shooting range and a walk-in gun vault and no one will ever hear from me again.



Oh and I'll want one of these...because I'm childish and like to play with guns:

http://dillonaero.com/SM134.html







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