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Old 06-06-2003, 09:38 AM   #71
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Default Re: Triumph teaches Harley a lesson in persistence and courage.

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Old 06-06-2003, 11:57 AM   #72
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Default Is Harley busy fighting the last war and Triumph positioning for the next war?

b>The Big Picture:[/b]

First only in America do cruisers out sell other bikes. If you have ever been to Europe you won't see a large number of big cruisers same goes for Asia.



The Long Run:

The marketing demographics look bad for cruisers. While Harley tries to revinvent the cruiser with the V-Rod other makers are better positioned for Gen Y and Gen Xers. Harley is fighting the last war. The are not positioned for the changing market.



A diversified Product Line:

A company's survival well depend on how diversified it is. Harley is not Triumph is. Just like investments duriing uncertain times it is better to have a diversifed mix rather than be specialized in a market of aging Baby Boomers.

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Old 06-06-2003, 12:01 PM   #73
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Default Re: Triumph teaches Harley a lesson in persistence and courage.

The Big Picture:

First only in America do cruisers out sell other bikes. If you have ever been to Europe you won't see a large number of big cruisers same goes for Asia.



The Long Run:

The marketing demographics look bad for cruisers. While Harley tries to revinvent the cruiser with the V-Rod other makers are better positioned for Gen Y and Gen Xers. Harley is fighting the last war. The are not positioned for the changing market.



A diversified Product Line:

A company's survival well depend on how diversified it is. Harley is not Triumph is. Just like investments duriing uncertain times it is better to have a diversifed mix rather than be specialized in a market of aging Baby Boomers.

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Old 06-07-2003, 07:50 AM   #74
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Default Re: Triumph teaches Harley a lesson in persistence and courage.

Nonetheless......Triumph won the Jr. TT. And that is a vary hotly contested race. You prolly dont see any "big" names there because the racers are mostly IoM specialists.........the big name riders dont ride it, too much to risk.







AND, depending on the track, 10hp and 15lbs doesnt mean a whole lot. Lots of tracks the Mille R is lapping faster then GSXR-1000's, even though they give up 20 lbs and 30 hp. Maybe its that whole twin thing, but who knows. Obviously a bike at a hp and weight disadvantage won this year, so there ya go
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Old 06-07-2003, 08:33 AM   #75
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Default Re: What makes you say that it sucks?

Why thanks. Everyone has to have a role
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Old 06-08-2003, 05:20 AM   #76
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Default Re: Triumph for Triumph

I saw one at my dealer too. It had a "sold" tag on it a whole 24 hours after it arrived.
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Old 06-09-2003, 08:17 AM   #77
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Default Here we go again, another fool says Harley is at the end of the road.....

and forgets that H-D has been around 100 years and the rest (except BMW and Moto Guzzi and a handful of smaller guys) have been around barely 50. Geez, give it up, you all are getting older too and will be riding BMWs, Harleys and Guzzis like the rest of the over 40 set because you won't be able to fold yourselves up like pretzels to ride sport bikes forever.



Damn youngins.....
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Old 06-09-2003, 08:22 AM   #78
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Good Show Triumph!



Of course, the riders of the rice will say that any inline 4 is a copy of Japan incorporated. I say pox to you, riders of rice. They are all copies of MV Agusta's bikes from an earlier era.....the real horizontal, overhead cam, inline 4!



Saying that, hope they put that big ass TT back on the side of the 600, now that they have earned it!



On to FIM and AMA supersport and once again the sun will never set on the British Empire....



Whoops, that last line is a little over the top....
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Old 06-09-2003, 03:40 PM   #79
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Default Re: Triumph teaches Harley a lesson in persistence and courage.

I believe JB would call this an "Ad Hominem" attack
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Old 06-11-2003, 07:24 AM   #80
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Default Re: Here we go again, another fool says Harley is at the end of the road.....

The baby boomers made the current Harley market and it's going to continue a few more years. HOWEVER, our kids are not anywhere near as interested in Harleys as they are in the latest sport bike. I have a garage full of bikes - two old Brit bikes an FLHS and a new Triumph Speed 4. All the kids like the new Triumph.
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