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Old 01-22-2001, 09:44 AM   #71
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Yes, you're right. We should restrict new riders to no more than a 2000 GSXR750. That bike is a safe, slow predictable bike. Are you serious. If you want to adopt that mentallity then make it useful. Restict new riders to 50cc 2-strokes. Don't rant about a 2001 GSXR1000 that only has maybe 5-10mph more top end than a 750. Come on!
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Old 01-22-2001, 10:56 AM   #72
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Crashing at the track is very different from crashing in the real world. It is very rarely the fall from the bike that is fatal, but rather the impact of hitting a stationary (or slower moving) object at high speed. So you may see racers walk away from accidents at well in excess of 100 MPH, or at the very least not be seriously hurt. On actual roads, your chances of walking away are much lower (depending on the roadway, of course).



That being said, even a Buell Blast will hit close to 90MPH. Most motorcycles can reach fatal speeds. Few will give the same response to twisting the throttle that this thing will, however. Someone with a little common sense should be able to keep the power under control. An idiot could die on a much less capable machine.



At the same time, I think most would agree that it is much easier to learn on a smaller, less capable bike. Should that be a requirement? It is in many other countries... I do not know accident statistics in other places, however. Anyone else know if fatality rates are lower in countries with graduated licensing?
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Old 01-22-2001, 11:19 AM   #73
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You - Monkeybreath.



If they don't get the equipment and go out and learn to use it - how do they stop being squids? I wouldn't sling one of my children onto a GSXR1000 as a first bike, but once I'd steered them through a fairly quick succession of larger bikes to get used to the idea - why not?



You can't learn to be a better rider on a clapped out Z 1000 from 1975. Even when everything on it was working properly, it still had about 3 times as much power as its chassis could handle. And you can't learn to handle bike bike power and torque on a little bike. I know modern 600s have the power that open class bikes did in 1980 - but they sure don't feel like it. It's not the same kind of power - they still feel limp-wristed.



The only way to learn to use an open class weapon is buy one and ride it. Some people will get hurt. So what? We're motorcycle riding speed freeks - we've been dealing with this problem since the 1920s. Face it - if there wasn't a strong element of risk - would it be as much fun?
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Old 01-22-2001, 01:13 PM   #74
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What difference does it make what the fatality rates are in other countries? Our country has the highest rate of fatalities "in defense of freedom" than any other country in the history of the world. Does that mean that we should become socialists in order to stop the bloodshed?



"Those that would sacrifice liberty for security will not recieve either, and deserve neither."



Pardon me while I step off my soapbox....
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Old 01-22-2001, 01:31 PM   #75
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Does anyone know if the 2001 GSX-R1000 MO Dynoed and Street tested is a CA or 49 state bike? I know this is a stupid question but I need to know

if the bike I have on order will have the same performace numbers.
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Old 01-22-2001, 01:57 PM   #76
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Socialism is a system of economics, not politics. It is quite possible to have a completely capitalist economy with very little personal freedom (see the special economic zones in China). Socialism refers to state ownership of a large percentage of the means of production and is usually associated with income redistribution. How graduated licensing equals socialism, I don't understand.



I also don't understand your contention that graduated licensing = a curtailment of freedom. The state is not telling me where I can ride, with whom I can associate, what I can say, or whom to vote for. Does that mean that all licensing is a curtailment of freedom? Should we remove age limits? Learners' permits? How about doctors' licenses? Should we not revoke the licenses of people who get DUIs? Individual freedom only extends so far as it is not a danger to others. You don't have the right to operate a motor vehicle in a way that is dangerous to others. If graduated licensing reduces that danger, what is the problem? Now if I allowed the state to regulate thought, speech, movement, etc., that would be different. I have no problem asking the state to help keep dangerous people off the roads.



Remember, many of the early founding fathers did not want everyone to have the right to vote or to share in all freedoms (and I am not referring just to slave ownership). Property requirements did not fully disappear until well into the 19th century.
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Old 01-22-2001, 02:56 PM   #77
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Lurved all the comments about the new GSXR. You guys were right, although some of you were wrong. But hey - in the final analysis, I ride because I like it, not to be PC, socially responsible, safe, etc. Part of the attraction is that riding is none of those things.



I would love my VFR to have 150 bhp, so it could pull wheelies more easily, but while I like to read about 150hp crotch-rockets, I'm not about to buy one. I can't afford it, I don't need the power, and I bought the bike that was right at the time for most of the riding I do (commuting every day, occasional touring, the odd blast). I'm also not going to question the motives / skill levels / behaviour of anyone else who *does* buy one. Good for them - hope they enjoy what they ride.



If I'm "blown away" by a rider on an R1 or GZXR1000, it's OK - his/her bike is faster and more powerful. If I'm blown away by someone on a Vespa, he/she is just going faster than me at that time. I know I'm not the best rider on the road, and my bike is not the fastest bike. So what? I'll still enjoy the ride, and my manhood is still intact. It's still more fun than driving a car, and (usually) less messy than sex.



To each his own; to ride is the thing.
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Old 01-22-2001, 03:19 PM   #78
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The chain WILL break and the motor WILL be screwed and NO... Suzuki WON'T cover it. Just like they won't cover their kick stand malfunctions on their Hayabusa's. If you can't engineer a damn kick stand, I don't trust you with the rest. Have fun throwing away your hard earned cash, Gixxer boys.
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Old 01-22-2001, 03:30 PM   #79
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"my buddy ran his Katana without oil for only a week". That's one of the stupidest... if not THE stupidest hearsay stories I've ever heard. Quit talking out of your ass... or no... please DO talk out of your ass cuz your ass must have more common sense than that.
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Old 01-22-2001, 03:36 PM   #80
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Great post Enzed. That's what it is all about! Enjoy what you ride because you are the one who is paying for it and riding it.....nobody else is.
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