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Old 09-13-2003, 08:23 AM   #11
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Wow The DL 650, An adventure touring bike that you might be able to take a a trail! I like it.
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Old 09-13-2003, 08:33 AM   #12
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Default Re: What's up with the '04 uninspired design, or SOS (Same ole 5hIT)

Is it me, or is 04 an uninspired year design, particularly from the Japanese? The GS500F and the V-Storm are hideous and the Gixxers are, well, Gixxers with the same blue and while graphics, not ugly by any means, but not particularly "OH MY GOD THEY ARE SO COOL LOOKING!" The new Yamaha R1 colors are fine but the FZ6 is way FUGLY. The Honda's ... don't get me started. They can't even get their BNG's right. I like the Rune, but it if Honda's going to browse through Anime videos and the Manga stacks for their inspiration, then there are some far more radical design ideas to rip off. Kawi's are Kawi's, always conservative, and the most interesting looking one isn't even coming to the US this year.



Even the Italians can't seem to get motivated. The Ducati Monster line-up seriously needs an overhaul, they are looking way dated. Aprilia's are good looking bikes, but there is nothing really new. I like the Guzzi's but the V11 is long in the tooth and their sales are so small in the US I can't see their up-coming new sportbike making a significant impact on design, at least in the short term.



You know the world has changed when Buell, once the trolls of mass-produced motorcycles, wins prestigious design awards.



PS. Hey MO, why recent the unedited posts of the manufacturers' press spooge? I mean, jeez, at least take out Mark Reese's name and phone number for God's sake. Even better, try to write your own previews in your own words. When I worked at MO we did just that. We got the previews the day they were received and we still had time to take two-hour lunches and download porn.
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Old 09-13-2003, 08:35 AM   #13
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How does Bill Mayer find time to make motorcycle seats and host his own HBO comedy series?
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Old 09-13-2003, 08:36 AM   #14
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The SV-Strom is a cute one. I think it will sell well, as now there are two good middleweights which have "Comfort + Wind protection + Low Cost": the FZ 6 and the SV-Strom. No sign of a centerstand on the SV-Strom however.



And agreed, the SV-Strom is the last nail in the coffin on the 599, as with the SV-Strom, SV-650, and the FZ 6 all on the market, all for lower to a lot lower cost, why get the 599?



I'm not sure how the GS500 will sell, the new bodywork is nice but the SV650, apart from having a good 30 more HP and $1k more in cost, is about as good a beginner bike, and for those who are paranoid, they could import a british restrictor kit.



But it is good to see that there still are beginner 500s on the market in the US.
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Old 09-13-2003, 09:10 AM   #15
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Looks like the new maurader is a rebadged mean streak. Or is it just me?
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Old 09-13-2003, 09:31 AM   #16
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Default Suzuki Marauder 1600 = Kawasaki Mean Streak 1600

It's a Kawasaki Mean Streak 1500 with the *new* Kawasaki 1600 motor in it. I looks like Kawi gave them the new sport cruiser frame and their newest update to that line.



Who's gonna buy a 2004 Mean Streak 1500 when they can have it with a 1600, the only difference being a Suzuki sticker on it?



Looks like this is the fruit of the much talked about "partnership"



Kawi released their new 1600 powered vucan "classic" and their "mean streak" update just went to Suzook.



wierd, but makes sense from a marketing standpoint. Kawi now has a new big-block twin, and so does Suzuki, and it aint "Kawi's old big block" its "kawis newest-old big block update" so, not a useless purchase in the eyes of the educated bike buyer.



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Old 09-13-2003, 10:06 AM   #17
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yep, ill give credit where credit is due.



with their fast turnaround, my 11 dollars and something was well spent.



thanks MO.



and oh yeah, i agree re: the reintroduction of the 500 beginner bike. this market could use another one along side kawasaki's 500. 600 supersports aren't beginner bikes, and it makes me cringe when newbs ask around for one to start off with.



i learned overseas on a 125 cc. best thing ive ever did to preserve my interest in riding.
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Old 09-13-2003, 11:58 AM   #18
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Well written. But don't forget the mighty Yamaha R1. We don't see many of those filling the AMA Superbike grids. And where are the Aprillia's? You know with the superior way they lay down the power coming out of corners and handle so darned well you'd think the privateers would load up on RC51's and Aprilia's. Whatsamatter? Can't keep up to anything with more than 750cc?
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Old 09-13-2003, 12:20 PM   #19
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Don't forget that was 180HP with ram air. I have heard people mention 172hp without ram air. Based on the 15% loss that equates to 146rwhp. Nice to see others are paying attention and not buying all of the hype (every mfr does it). I think 15% is steep, given Honda claimed 150hp for the 954 and wound up about 135, which shows about 10% loss. Even with that small of a loss, it only has the R1 at 154rwhp if 172hp is correct.
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Old 09-13-2003, 12:47 PM   #20
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No, I didn't forget. Give Miguel, EBoz, or young Roberts (or even Bussei, I'd wager) a 10% power advantage on the field and see what happens. Mladin will be an also-ran next year like he was last year if he's got similar hp output compared to the rest of the grid. I'll give you that the 02 suzi entrant wasn't the bee's knees, but you'd expect more than two 3rd place podiums from the Great reigning champ.



As for why the 954 wasn't entered in superbike in 03, I'd bet it had a lot to do with the amount of work that'd been done on the 51, and the knowledge of the fact that the 954 was going bye-bye after 03. Why invest in a bike that's not long for this world? Same w/ the 02/03 R1, which, even though it is seriously hampered in the power and chassis dept compared to the gixxer and the Duc, still shows it's stuff from time to time in BSB.



And the ZX9? Please.



Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if AMA made the induction/FI rule changes just to screw Mladin in an attempt to drag him off the stage. And I'd be right there with them in the effort. I'm just tired of seeing him act in completely rude ways to fellow riders, fans, and the press. Refusing to even turn and look at the Speed reporter attempting to get a word from him after VIR race 1 was just despicable. I wanted to reach through the TV and slap the crap out of him.



The sport of motorcycle racing, and AMA road racing in particular, needs willing and skilled ambassadors. People who are happy winning, and happy promoting the sport. Everyone carps about how Nascar is a $2bn enterprise and AMA SBK gets bumped off the tube, well Mladin doesn't help matters. We have the most exciting sport I know of, but punks like Mladin help to keep it in the cellar.



If he weren't such a yellow belly, maybe he'd try to take the step to the big leagues. But he knows something you don't, which is that he understands where he rates, and it ain't pretty.
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