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Old 06-05-2007, 11:53 PM   #1
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Default Re: Spirit ES1: The Revolutionary New British Superbike

my mind! it's boggling!



i wanted a better look at the suspension bits, but alas...
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Old 06-06-2007, 12:49 AM   #2
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Just check the by-line.



MO V2.0 is still a work in progress.
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Old 06-06-2007, 02:06 AM   #3
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There's nothing new here. Frameless motorcycles are all around you: they're called BMW R1100s. And so are Vincents, though you don't see so many of those these days. The so-called 'radical' aerodynamics amount to putting the rider behind the engine to reduce frontal area, which simply means lengthening the wheelbase and spreading the weight of engine and rider along it, which will adversely affect manoeuvrability by making it difficult to achieve centralisation of mass, though most people who buy one (if it ever reaches production) won't ride it hard enough to notice. Pitching, or moments of inertia about the transverse axis, will be the issue. As for the brakes, well, they're just off a Buell, and the torsion springing was last tried on Suzuki's unloved TL1000S, though back in the fifties it was popular with several mid-weight European bikes. The double chain run final transmission is hopeless, though, a real mess both aesthetically and otherwise, and it shows that they just haven't thought about it properly. They want the rider's heels on the rear axle, almost, and that means tucking the chain out of the way. The real answer would be to design the engine so that the drive comes out nearer the middle of the gearbox, but I guess they're using a donor engine and can't afford to design their own motor. BMW's piggy-back transmission and high-exit belt drive on the new F800 almost solves the problem for them, but it seems they ignored that. Nope, sorry, but this is another superbike that will stay on the drawing board.
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Old 06-06-2007, 04:41 AM   #4
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I want to see a sccoter with no frame.
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Old 06-06-2007, 05:17 AM   #5
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Default Re: Spirit ES1: The Revolutionary New British Superbike

I don't see a "revolutionary superbike."



I see two guys playing with a model.



As mentioned, the frame-less chassis has been done before. See the Britten V-1000.



Another alternative front end. Will it work? I guess they have to build an actual runner first.



Buell-like front brake.



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Good luck to them none the less.
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Old 06-06-2007, 05:18 AM   #6
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Eh, "nonetheless."
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Old 06-06-2007, 05:29 AM   #7
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Yep, most of what they talk over seems to have been tried before and some of the new ideas -- especially the drive -- seem wonky. Still, we'll have to see if a working prototype comes out of the project and actually does work.
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Old 06-06-2007, 07:01 AM   #8
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Unless I'm mistaken, the TL has a rotary damper system on the rear, but not a torsion spring. These guys seem to thing they can apply F1 suspension technology to a sportbike. I have no clue if it will work, but that's part of the fun.



Whether or not any one of their atypical design elements have been used before isn't exactly the point though. It's an interesting study in a different sporting configuration, that could potentially have benefits. I look forward to seeing what, if anything, becomes of it.
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Old 06-06-2007, 07:11 AM   #9
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This is news? A couple of guys playing with a toy model that rehashes some existing ideas and adds one or two new ones? The title should be...



"Spirit ES1: The Somewhat new British Superbike Concept"





Oh and the name...."Spirit ES1".....please....it sounds like a new feminine hygiene product.
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Old 06-06-2007, 07:28 AM   #10
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After riding, I'm not feeling too...you know...fresh.
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