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Old 03-31-2007, 02:18 PM   #31
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Exactly. His 'friend' on the Busa is doing him no favors. You could have tried to help him. I have talked several people (friends and complete strangers) out of buyng bikes that they just could not handle. The worse that can happen is they tell you to F off and mind your own business.
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Old 03-31-2007, 02:23 PM   #32
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The sv650 has a 0-60 not much different than any 600 supersport. I still scare myself on it when I get careless riding in the city.

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Old 03-31-2007, 02:26 PM   #33
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I don't think tiered liscenscing is the answer. The answer is US, motobrothers. You and me and even Buzglyd need to grab these newbies by their collective piercings or pantera beards or whatever and say, 'Look, I know you see me riding this b!tching (insert name of your kick @ss ride here) but, you need to know that I started out on a (insert name of your lame first bike here) and that bike and that experience is what saved my life and it is what is going to save yours.' Do it at the dealerships. Do it at bike shows. Do it in your own riding clubs. Do it whenever you can. I have talked several new riders out of 600s or even liter bikes as their first rides. We can and should reduce this problem ourselves. Motobrothers Unite!
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Old 03-31-2007, 02:35 PM   #34
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There is more detail in THIS story, and yet less.



Autos are Deathtraps! If the passengers had been aboard an R1, they could have merely waded-ashore. Instead, they were upside-down, probably tied-in by those psuedo-safety-device "straps", or possibly suffocated by an inflated bag of combusted, toxic gas.



This was a 2007 Jeep. How long-ago did the driver obtain it from some Dealer? Did the Dealer's representatives prescreen them for the ability to handle such a machine as this? At 210+ horsepower, the Jeep Liberty has more getup-and-go than 75% of the autos available when I started driving, in the mid-'80s.



There should be tiered-licensing for these things. No person should be allowed to operate any auto with more than 85hp; until they've proven capable of handling a higher-horsepower vehicle through extensive, expensive testing, paid their required fees, and spent at least two years at each level.



I don't care if you were an Indy-car driver at 18 years of age, or won the Baja 1000 at 13. You MUST start at the bottom, no exceptions. Except for those with sufficient cash or Political-Influence to circumvent the Law, that is.
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Old 03-31-2007, 02:38 PM   #35
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Don't you piece together people who get busted up doing all kinds of weird things? You probably notice the motorcyclists because you are one but let's face it, illegal aliens put an undue burden on ERs by a factor of about a million to one over motorcyclists.



With the stupid EMTALA law enacted by our benevolent legislators, people with sore throats cost you way more than motorcyclists do.
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Old 03-31-2007, 02:42 PM   #36
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Ah, now you're thinking.



I nominate this for Most Important Post of this thread.
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Old 03-31-2007, 03:09 PM   #37
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illegal aliens with sore throats don't come into the ER all that much for fear of deportation, however i do get your point.


sure, there are lots of problems areas where we could possibly trim oodles more fat than we would fighting the negative side effects of motorcycling...not starting any more illegal wars in the middle east would be a great way for us to not drain the economy, for example.

but just because there is a lot of fat to be trimmed in other areas of foreign and domestic policy, doesn't mean that legislature is going to overlook places where they can score little "victories" without upsetting the majority of the population. it's not particularly pleasant for me as a motorcyclist, but that seems to be the progression of things.



motorcyclists might drain society's coffers less than, say, illegal immigrants as a whole, but the negative side-effects of our sport are still viewed in legislature as a place where budgets can be shored up a little.



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Old 03-31-2007, 03:12 PM   #38
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sorry, that was long way round
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Old 03-31-2007, 03:32 PM   #39
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The sad coincidence of my high school friend's low speed tragedy is that he was voted "biggest daredevil" in the school yearbook.
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Old 03-31-2007, 04:00 PM   #40
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Tiered licensing? How is that an answer? Why do so many folks believe that enacting another law will solve our problems? Does gun control stop gun crime? Nope, criminals will still get the tools they need, laws or no. We do not live in a Socialist state where everything is or should be controlled by the government. Freedom, and our freedom of choice include risks. I am willing to accept those risks for me and my family. The alternative of having the "do gooders" telling me what I can and can't have or do is not acceptable. Live with the risks, do your part to influence the people you come in contact with to make wise choices. Enacting one more government control is not the answer. If some first time rider gets it set in thier head that they are going to get the latest monster bike and ride like a maniac, then they will some way or another, laws be damned. If you want tiered licensing, move to a country where they already have it. It is very easy to take away freedom (in the name of safety) but it is almost impossible to get it back. Just look at some of the outdated and absurd laws we still have "on the books" all over this country. I support the idea of letting folks run thier own lives and make their own decisions. Unfortunately (or tragically, if you want) not all folks will make sound decisions. This issue isn't a plague on the land wiping out countless numbers of lives. Lets keep it at the level of the individual where it belongs.



Life isn't always easy and it sure isn't always fair. Making another law will not change that in the long run.



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