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Old 01-31-2007, 06:58 AM   #1
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Default Wait a minute...

Wait a minute, racing motorcycles; I thought you meant racing motorcycles as on a track. I really wanted to see how that would play out.



You mean they were racing motorcycles on the street and they are giving up there motorcycles they used in illegal street racing.

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Old 01-31-2007, 07:04 AM   #2
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Default Re: Father, Son To Give Up 'Racing' Bikes As Part Of Plea Agreement

So the perps end up with a clean driving record after fleeing at 150 mph, the police department keeps the money from selling the bikes...



and this is all about public safety?



The conservatives have passed a LOT of really bad laws... but the ones awarding revenues from seized property directly to law enforcement agencies are some of the worst.



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Old 01-31-2007, 07:09 AM   #3
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"Deferred adjudication".. not just for memebers of Congress.
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Old 01-31-2007, 07:32 AM   #4
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"In the 1980s, state legislatures and Congress were frustrated with their inability to arrest and convict 'drug kingpins.' So they passed laws that gave police the power to seize the property of suspected dealers.... The federal Comprehensive Crime Act of 1984 was the most important of these measures, as it allowed local police agencies that cooperated in a drug investigation to keep the vast majority of the assets seized."



Conservatives controlled both houses of Congress in 1984? Who knew?



Other than that, you're right. Lousy law.
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Old 01-31-2007, 07:32 AM   #5
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Default Seized property.....

Seized by law enforcement is just a simile for legalized theft.



How is it that conservatives managed to write a law that is explicitly unconstitutional? Where was Hannity defending the fourth amendment when this was happening?



Wake up people.



P.S. Father and son should be punished by fine or jail, NOT this BS forfeiture of property.
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Old 01-31-2007, 07:37 AM   #6
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Are ya sure you wanna put down road spikes to slow down a motorcycle? Why not just shoot the perps off? Oh well, behave and you don't have to deal with that kind of decision making.
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Old 01-31-2007, 07:38 AM   #7
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Default Re: Seized property.....

ok the key word here is plea AGREEMENT -- it isn't theft if they agree to give up the bikes to avoid jail time. sounds like a hell of a deal to me.



My question is the part of the article in which the police used spike strips on motorcycles. Theres no way that would happen at the police departments in my area. spike strips + motorcycles = death?
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Old 01-31-2007, 07:40 AM   #8
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Default So what were they thinking???

So what were they thinking??? Is the bottom line.



Why would you be riding a racing non-street legal bike on the road anyway?



You can't be going that much faster then say a stock GSX-R1000.
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Old 01-31-2007, 07:40 AM   #9
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Default Re: Father, Son To Give Up 'Racing' Bikes As Part Of Plea Agreement

Great point, I was wondering about that myself. I think todays police feel like they're all Judge Dredd types, judge, jury and (potentially in this case) executioner.



What were they thinking?
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Old 01-31-2007, 07:41 AM   #10
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Default Re: Seized property.....

Don't see how this is a 4th amendment issue since it's a plea bargain, unless I'm misreading the article or don't have all the facts of the case.



I interpreted it as they could have kept the bikes and faced the fine or jail and most likely losing their license, etc etc. They opted out of it on their own, choosing to surrender their bikes in exchange for leniency.



My friend faced similar charges. His plea bargain didn't involve losing the bike, just license privs for a period of time. But he didn't get the adjuciation either.



I don't see the constitutional outrage here.

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