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Old 11-15-2006, 07:51 AM   #21
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Steve, while I agree with you about gvt. nannying us to death, you miss one big difference w/ military. As long as you wear that green or blue suit you are gummit property. The gvt. generally has a considerable investment in time money and training that they would rather you not destroy by doing something stupid. Having said that, as I remember, most of us were, or at least acted, about half crazy when we got back from Nam. It's a wonder most of us survived various stupid antics involving booze, cars, and motorcycles.
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Old 11-15-2006, 07:54 AM   #22
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Glad to have you back. Thanks for your service.
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Old 11-15-2006, 08:00 AM   #23
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"Other than that, he's going to be ok."



Are you friggin kidding? Leaving the old wanker stuck to the gas tank ain't ok!
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Old 11-15-2006, 08:07 AM   #24
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Could be the worst injury ever. That is like "brain-dead" for most guys.
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Old 11-15-2006, 08:14 AM   #25
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Makes those cruisers look a lot better doesn't it?
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Old 11-15-2006, 08:35 AM   #26
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Completely wrong at least in my case. I returned from Iraq with a healthy appreciation for life and not a feeling of invincibility. Just in a split second I could have been no more. The whole article is just pure BS. I would think AAFES would need to cancel the car buying programs too.
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Old 11-15-2006, 12:51 PM   #27
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I agree. Sometimes it doesn't pay to scream. There is the underlying issue of the ability of these low skills riders to drop by their local dealer and buy a very powerful sportbike, even using mfgrs. low credit rates. I am all for tiered licenses in the good old USA. If it works for airplanes it works for motorcycles. When I was a VFR (visual flight rules) pilot I still had a blast, now that I have moved up, still have a blast. Seems to address a lot of issues. OH, I forgot about the "freedom" issues- freedom to kill ourselves, freedom to act irresponsibly, to not wear a helmet, to carry guns, etc. If we are sheep enough to sit still for airport security (sic) then tiered licenses are not a freedom issue.



If you let loose a low skill pilot with a high performance aircraft, you increase the chances of a bad result significantly. The only difference from motorcycles is the barrier to entry ($$$) for a pilot. Sill we have accidents - most of which are "pilot continued flight into adverse conditions" aka pilot error. Testosterone and no fear is a very dangerous mix.
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Old 11-15-2006, 01:50 PM   #28
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While that sounds a bit like some sort of 'nanny state' rule, I think it might make sense to limit the size and horsepower of the first motorcycle a person owns. You have to keep it a year, and then can buy whatever the hell you want. I think the Brits do it that way. We don't let kids drive around unsupervised for a time nowadays, in an attempt to keep a few more of them alive while they learn what the hell it is they're doing.
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Old 11-16-2006, 04:57 AM   #29
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The facts are what they are about the number of deaths involving motorcyclists. The reasons are debatable. I don't think it's a matter of feeling invincible. I think people just want to have fun. A lot of people (especially single folks) have enough cash saved when they come back from a tour in the sandbox to get any new bike they want. I imagine that most of them (especially new riders) step right up to more motorcycle than they can handle, not understanding that it isn't like driving a car. Going from a go-cart to a Corvette is a lot easier than going from a bicycle to a literbike.
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Old 11-16-2006, 05:41 AM   #30
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here is a piece of advice: if a journalist claims in an article that he or she has identified a "trend" based on a single data point ... take it with a HUGE grain of salt. they are looking to sensationalize and they are incompetent when it comes to numbers.



this may or may not be a real trend, and it may or may not be caused by "feelings of invincibility" brought on by the war.
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