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Buzglyd · 09-23-2006, 08:40 AM

Since when did Democrats start restricting personal liberties based on dubious environmental claims?

electraglider_1997 · 09-23-2006, 12:37 PM

You are a dumbass/Your personal liberties have nothing to do with ruining the environment. Maybe we should come do donuts on your lawn in front of your doublewide. You should have no problem with that since you certainly wouldn't want to infringe on everyones personal liberties.

Buzglyd · 09-23-2006, 12:47 PM

You should change your handle to non sequitur

obandoj · 09-23-2006, 02:12 PM

The problem here is not only the Republicans, but also the Democrats, and the irresponsible land users as well. The democrats want to close everything so that "future generations can enjoy it", the republicans want to use and abuse it , keep it open for the people and in the name of freedom, develop, mine, pollute and in general destroy everything, and the irresponsible users blaze trails, use loud exhaust systems to terrorize wild life as well as other users, trash pristine areas and give the democrats more ammo in their over zealous fight to close it all!

And that leaves the rest of us, the people who really care for the land, the animals and the environment to try and find a balance and compromise so that it can stay open, so that it can be enjoyed and cherised, so that we can keep the a$$holes at bay and in the end be able to ride and explore, camp, love and enjoy nature.

What we need to do is to come up with some very stiff rules and penalties for those who brake them, we need to patrol ourselves and turn the law brakers in. And last but not least, we need to work with the Forestry Service, local goverment and yes, as much as I hate to say it, with local politicians (same as above) , so that we can keep our lands and our riding, camping and exploring rights, alive and well.

What kind of a free country would we be if we could not go out and enjoy the great outdoors, think about it!

Weezel · 09-23-2006, 02:23 PM

I ride on road. I ride off road. Hmmm....guess that means I have a dual sport. Correctomundo. And anyone who thinks we don't have enough forest roads, trails, etc. to get yourself dirty is a friggin' moron who can't read a topo map. I'm actually fed up with all the ATV's that are ruining my favorites trails. And the answer is NOT to build more roads through the wilderness. Camping, hiking, hunting, and fishing in peace are a hell of a lot more important than building more dirt roads for riding. I say damn straight you control bikes (and all the other machines) in the wilderness - it's getting too damn noisy and dusty. Can't hear my own noise anymore.

There, I said it. Now flame on.

anrajala · 09-23-2006, 02:32 PM

I agree and I disagree. Its a balancing act between "saving the environment" and "freedom of the man", both worthy causes.

In Finland we resolved this in the most dumb-ass manner by ruling illegal any motor activity outside designated roadways. This is one of the stupidest laws we have (and the competition in this category is fierce I tell ya). Surely we have vast pristine areas that need to be protected from any motoring use. But similarily we have a lot of ho-hum average wasteland where anybody could ride a XR 250 with no harm to nobody and his dog.

- cruiz-euro

obandoj · 09-23-2006, 02:34 PM

I agree with you 100% on the ATV side, they (ATV's) have allowed a bunch of newbies, with no skills, no love for the outdoors and no lasting interest in the sport to come in and ruin it for the rest of us, they are the majority of the people I was talking about in the above entry. I wish they would just go away, along with a bunch of liberal californians.

pplassm · 09-23-2006, 03:35 PM

There's no denying that the proliferation of ATV's (not off-road motorcycles) has horribly skewed this question. As Super Hunky said "The best thing about ATVs is, any idiot can ride one. The worst thing about ATVs is, any idot can ride one."

I believe the skillset required to ride a motorcycle off-road used to keep the real morons out of the woods and wilderness. Now, they no longer have that impediment.

We all lose.

ksquid · 09-23-2006, 03:55 PM

1. National Environmental Protection Act became law during the Nixon Administration in 1969.

2. Bush's plan violated provisions in that act i.e the vilotated the law (sound familiar)

3. Clinton's plan respected the act i.e. obeyed the law.

It's that simple. So GPTB quit reading any more into it.

09-23-2006, 08:28 AM	#1
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09-23-2006, 08:40 AM	#2
Buzglyd Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 10,137	Re: AMA Analyzing Court Decision That Blocks ''Roadless'' Plan. Since when did Democrats start restricting personal liberties based on dubious environmental claims? __________________ Jay Leno: "President Obama released his tax returns. It turns out he made $900,000 less in 2011 than he did in 2010. You know what that means? Even Obama is doing worse under President Obama."

09-23-2006, 12:37 PM	#3
electraglider_1997 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 640	Re: AMA Analyzing Court Decision That Blocks ''Roadless'' Plan. You are a dumbass/Your personal liberties have nothing to do with ruining the environment. Maybe we should come do donuts on your lawn in front of your doublewide. You should have no problem with that since you certainly wouldn't want to infringe on everyones personal liberties.

09-23-2006, 12:47 PM	#4
Buzglyd Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 10,137	Re: AMA Analyzing Court Decision That Blocks ''Roadless'' Plan. You should change your handle to non sequitur __________________ Jay Leno: "President Obama released his tax returns. It turns out he made $900,000 less in 2011 than he did in 2010. You know what that means? Even Obama is doing worse under President Obama."

09-23-2006, 02:12 PM	#5
obandoj Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Arizona Posts: 912	Re: AMA Analyzing Court Decision That Blocks ''Roadless'' Plan. The problem here is not only the Republicans, but also the Democrats, and the irresponsible land users as well. The democrats want to close everything so that "future generations can enjoy it", the republicans want to use and abuse it , keep it open for the people and in the name of freedom, develop, mine, pollute and in general destroy everything, and the irresponsible users blaze trails, use loud exhaust systems to terrorize wild life as well as other users, trash pristine areas and give the democrats more ammo in their over zealous fight to close it all! And that leaves the rest of us, the people who really care for the land, the animals and the environment to try and find a balance and compromise so that it can stay open, so that it can be enjoyed and cherised, so that we can keep the a$$holes at bay and in the end be able to ride and explore, camp, love and enjoy nature. What we need to do is to come up with some very stiff rules and penalties for those who brake them, we need to patrol ourselves and turn the law brakers in. And last but not least, we need to work with the Forestry Service, local goverment and yes, as much as I hate to say it, with local politicians (same as above) , so that we can keep our lands and our riding, camping and exploring rights, alive and well. What kind of a free country would we be if we could not go out and enjoy the great outdoors, think about it!

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09-23-2006, 02:23 PM	#6
Weezel Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 52	Re: AMA Analyzing Court Decision That Blocks ''Roadless'' Plan. I ride on road. I ride off road. Hmmm....guess that means I have a dual sport. Correctomundo. And anyone who thinks we don't have enough forest roads, trails, etc. to get yourself dirty is a friggin' moron who can't read a topo map. I'm actually fed up with all the ATV's that are ruining my favorites trails. And the answer is NOT to build more roads through the wilderness. Camping, hiking, hunting, and fishing in peace are a hell of a lot more important than building more dirt roads for riding. I say damn straight you control bikes (and all the other machines) in the wilderness - it's getting too damn noisy and dusty. Can't hear my own noise anymore. There, I said it. Now flame on.

09-23-2006, 02:32 PM	#7
anrajala Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,490	Re: AMA Analyzing Court Decision That Blocks ''Roadless'' Plan. I agree and I disagree. Its a balancing act between "saving the environment" and "freedom of the man", both worthy causes. In Finland we resolved this in the most dumb-ass manner by ruling illegal any motor activity outside designated roadways. This is one of the stupidest laws we have (and the competition in this category is fierce I tell ya). Surely we have vast pristine areas that need to be protected from any motoring use. But similarily we have a lot of ho-hum average wasteland where anybody could ride a XR 250 with no harm to nobody and his dog. - cruiz-euro

09-23-2006, 02:34 PM	#8
obandoj Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Arizona Posts: 912	Re: AMA Analyzing Court Decision That Blocks ''Roadless'' Plan. I agree with you 100% on the ATV side, they (ATV's) have allowed a bunch of newbies, with no skills, no love for the outdoors and no lasting interest in the sport to come in and ruin it for the rest of us, they are the majority of the people I was talking about in the above entry. I wish they would just go away, along with a bunch of liberal californians.

09-23-2006, 03:35 PM	#9
pplassm Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,875	Re: AMA Analyzing Court Decision That Blocks ''Roadless'' Plan. There's no denying that the proliferation of ATV's (not off-road motorcycles) has horribly skewed this question. As Super Hunky said "The best thing about ATVs is, any idiot can ride one. The worst thing about ATVs is, any idot can ride one." I believe the skillset required to ride a motorcycle off-road used to keep the real morons out of the woods and wilderness. Now, they no longer have that impediment. We all lose. __________________ Mongo just pawn in game of life.

09-23-2006, 03:55 PM	#10
ksquid Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: My new favorite site is CycleWorld.com Posts: 3,775	Ok you Fox News fans time to get your facts straight 1. National Environmental Protection Act became law during the Nixon Administration in 1969. 2. Bush's plan violated provisions in that act i.e the vilotated the law (sound familiar) 3. Clinton's plan respected the act i.e. obeyed the law. It's that simple. So GPTB quit reading any more into it.