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Old 09-05-2006, 06:17 AM   #81
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Default Flat Earth for Dummies

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Old 09-05-2006, 06:32 AM   #82
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Ok students.

Force = mass times acceleration i.e F=m*a

So the stoping force needed is directly proportional bth to mass and acceeleration. Acceleration is the change in velocity. thus if you are going faster yes it will take more force to stop within a give time or distance. Also if you have more mass or in layman's terms more weight it will take more force to stop within a given distance or time. Thus because a cruiser on average weighs 300 pounds more it will take more force to stop with in the same distance/time. Spoken a differnt way if a cruiser stops in the same distance that means its brackes are exerting a larger stopping force. However, rider skill are important. If we have a cruiser and sportbike fitted with ABS. I would bet a significant sum that the sportbike would stop sooner every time. Why? because the rider would not have to worry about locking up the front wheel.
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Old 09-05-2006, 07:08 AM   #83
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One word. Friction.





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Old 09-05-2006, 08:14 AM   #84
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Uh, doofus? The problem with panic braking a sportbike isn't the front wheel locking. It's the massive stoppie factor.



Your Kawi Mean Streak will keep both wheels on the ground and utilize two contact patches. The sportbikes rear end immediately gets airborne rendering the huge rear contact patch useless.



I've panic stopped my Ducati with a passenger on the back and the rear tire was still in the air.



Oh, and you're not Tommy Hayden. You're not even grandma Hayden on a motorcycle.



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Old 09-05-2006, 08:15 AM   #85
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Washington drivers are incredibly polite. In seattle you can wait forever to get through a 4 way stop because everyone is constantly waving each other through. It makes me want to kill them.



Washington drivers are also the worst drivers I've ever encountered. They don't pay attention, they drive like fools. My typical example is the white minivan in the fast lane going 5 under the speed limit, completely oblivious.
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Old 09-05-2006, 08:47 AM   #86
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I have to avoid some cager trying to kill me every morning and every night, intermittently throughout the day on weekends.



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Old 09-05-2006, 08:51 AM   #87
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So are u saying that cruiser tires have more grip than sportbike tires?
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Old 09-05-2006, 08:58 AM   #88
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It has been my experience that they mostly don't try very hard, so they're easy to avoid. The moto-crybabies though, damn, they take every little swerve even NEAR their lane as a personal affront.
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Old 09-05-2006, 09:01 AM   #89
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Interesting point and the best argument so far for the cruiser., but I would think a stoppie is less likely to take place or be less severe using ABS... i.e. the rotating lever effect of the back frame is less severe because the wheel is still rotating.. In addition I think the additional weight of the cruiser will far outweight the front wheel weight biasis of the sportsbike.. which makes it stoppie prone. But I am willing to concede this maybe the key issue i.e. the forward weight balance of the sportbike. Again I would love to see an accomplished rider test searsuzy's theory out.



Excellent Point Buz.. well described...Now if serasuzy and longride could just agrue the same way
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Old 09-05-2006, 09:15 AM   #90
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ABS was designed for the average rider to be able to stop by just mashing the lever. It doesn't always result in the shortest distance. A trained hand can stop shorter without ABS.



The front wheel is not locked while doing a stoppie. That's called crashing. At maximum threshold braking, the rear wheel is in the air while the front is rolling to a stop.



Picture this: the car that just pulled out in front of you is coming closer and closer. You're all over the front brake. You gently tap the rear and the engine instantly stalls because the rear wheel is in the air. Your passenger is crushing into from behind.



You get to decide to add more lever pressure and lock up, or hit the car or go for the massive stoppie which will probably result in dumping it once you stop.



I stopped 18 inches short of the car door that night. The sex was great that evening though!
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