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Old 02-19-2001, 02:53 AM   #31
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Default Re: Boringly typical anti-American socialist Eurodrivel...

Er, speaking of European socialism, the way America rewards cunning types who either create novel ideas, or more usually recycle old ones, is to give them a state enforced (limited) monopoly on those ideas or products. Welcome to the law of patent, trademark and copyright.



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Old 02-19-2001, 03:02 AM   #32
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Actually, they aren't scarfing up Harleys. Non-motorcyclists are occasionally seen scarfing up Harley aftershave and deoderant; they had to send a VR1000 to Poland so that they could pretend it was a production motorcycle. That's about it for Harleys, you hardly see them, and even Japanese cruisers are comparatively rare.





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Old 02-19-2001, 03:06 AM   #33
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Shh!



That was supposed to be a hidden subsidy - now you've let the cat out of the bag.
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Old 02-19-2001, 05:18 AM   #34
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Come on boys and girls, this is all about E-H and their fate, not a TransAtlantic slanging match. Put the handbags away please! As an Anglo-Canadian who has lived mainly in England but travelled extensively in mainland Europe and America, I have to say that there are good points and bad about life on either side of the Atlantic. I don't know where AstonMartin comes from, the name suggests England but the command of English suggests elsewhere, but I suspect that he is just trying to get a flame war going by coming out with such generalised attacks on all things American. He certainly doesn't speak for all Europeans. I've never owned a Harley or any other cruiser, being more of an Italian bike fan, but if I were to live in the USA I could well consider one. It's a case of horses for courses, if I want to ride the Alpine passes to Italy I would choose a Ducati, but for my next trip from San Francisco to Albuquerque I kinda like the idea of a Road King. I don't understand all the attacks on other peoples choice of machine, after all if you are with the woman of your choice you don't go around saying all others are ugly do you (please say no!)?
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Old 02-19-2001, 05:59 AM   #35
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Default Re: Boringly typical anti-American socialist Eurodrivel...

I forgive you, because you're misguided. What kind of technology you're talking about? Computer? The computer processor was also invented by Europeans and the lead in this field comes from Asia and Japan.

Transportation? Don't tell me you can compare a Audi TT to a Camaro or a BMW X5 to a Navigator or an Aston Martin Volante to a Cadillac NorthStar.

Maybe these products are overpriced, but also so much better than the good ol' American made crap boxes.

You talking about jealousy... Frankly, I was glad to be back in Europe to enjoy people with common sense, gorgeous girls, good food and good wine.

Not to mention those scenic roads in South of France or Spain or....ahhhh, wasted time. You don't understand anyway.



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Old 02-19-2001, 06:57 AM   #36
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Default Don't condem ALL foreigners!!

NO Englishman worth his salt would EVER call himself a european. This Astonmartin person bothers me 'cos I'm a Limey living in the USA, all the drivel he has been spouting has been making Americans reply in kind, but in doing so thier comments hurt me also, so I've read this thread and bit my tongue.



I think the Hanlons arrogance (well known industry wide), killed the E-H, nothing more or less, the bike was a niche bike at best and appealed to few, that along with a high price tag and questionable looks, is it really that much of a mystery?



For the record I ride a 2000 FXSTB, and have a deposit down on a 900 monster dark.
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Old 02-19-2001, 06:59 AM   #37
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Astomartin,



I am not an American and there are many things about these people that I do not approve of. Yet I find the Europeans' dislike of the Americans revolting. Your shameless jingoism leaves a very bad taste in the mouth.



The United States is the first nation in the history of humankind that has gained supreme status by creating wealth rather than by the subjugation and subsequent looting of other peoples. They are deserving of the power and influence they exert over the world. Europeans, on the other hand, who got rich and fat by being parasites on colonized people, can do little more than shamelessly prattle on about culture and good breeding.



Not for one minute do I deny the faults and hypocrisies that I see around me in this country everyday. But it is for the Americans themselves to realize them. It is certainly not for petty Europeans to about.



Europeans should drop this Master-Race attitude. Even today, Europeans feel an inate moral and cultural superiority over the rest of the world. You are not better than any one, in anyway, you never were, and you never will be. Beethoven, Michelangelo, Shakespeare, Descarte, are all fine, but men like these are not exclusive to Europe, and the world is not a richer place because Europe produced these great men.



Besides, have some respect for yourself. Your comments and those of your compatriots make you people seem like spoilt brats bawling away because the kid who grew up in the poor house has gone to the top of the class.
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Old 02-19-2001, 07:09 AM   #38
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Humm, last time I looked Bimoto was "gone", Moto-Guzzi and Larvada only survive due to the aggressiveness of Aprilia and only reason for that is to have a "cruiser" to sell in the USA. Ducati was only "saved" from going under by a bunch of "hated American's with money to lend"!



MV Agusta is looking for a buyer, from press reports I've seen and Cagiva is always on the brink of bankrupty! I don't see the Italian government "saving" your heritage and don't expect to see Benelli (sp?) surviving any longer than Bimota in racing, JMHO..



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Old 02-19-2001, 08:37 AM   #39
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Personally, they desrved to go out of business. According to interviews in Cycle World w/ the Hanlons, this was an exclusive motrocycle for the upper crusts. The business model was out of date. Building as much stuff in house is a folly (look at Triumph for the other end of the spectrum). As far as marketing, Daytona was covered with banners for EH the last couple of times I attended. I knew they were coming. I looked foward to it.... I cannot afford an $18,000 motorcycle, or I would by a nice H-D. It just seems that nobody with an ounce of common sense can come foward to resurect (sp?) the prolific American motorcycle industry. (Numerous failed Indian start-ups as an example.) Its sad.
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Old 02-19-2001, 09:03 AM   #40
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Wow. This discussion thread certainly has provided me with a great deal of lunchtime entertainment. It is quite interesting how a discussion about the fate of E-H quickly spirals into nationalistic mud-slinging! Speaks volumes about human nature, eh! Specifically, it illustrates what I believe to be true: If we motorcycle enthusiasts spent as much time riding our "rides" as verbally defending them, we'd all have a lot more fun (it's hard to argue with someone while encountering a 70 mile an hour head-wind).



In the 25 years I've been riding motorcycles, I've owned Suzuki's, Yamaha's, Honda's, H-D's and, currently, a new Indian Chief and a Triumph Sprint ST are in my garage. Every bike I've ever owned, I've liked for one reason or another. At the time it fulfilled my need to ride a motorcycle and experience the freedom that only riding can bring. I've met great people during the last 25 years...some owned H-D's and some Suzuki's. I can say the same about the ass-holes I've met as well. The truly great thing about motorcycling is that you don't have to like the fact that I'm an American or that I own an Indian or a Triumph. Personally, I don't care, as you are free to buy whatever bike trips your trigger.



That brings me to my one comment about E-H. The ones I feel bad for are those who bought the bikes because they liked them. Whether or not the Hanlons ruined E-H or the design or the price, to me it really doesn't matter. What matters is that there are a bunch of people out there who's E-H life will be prematurely cut short.



Anyway, I can just picture that in about 15 years, some of the same people trashing the looks of E-H will be trying to snap up a rare 1999 E-H at an outlandish price. And you know what, hey it's their money. Enjoy!

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