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pplassm · 01-25-2006, 06:57 AM

C'mon. We all new this was coming, right?

Is Erion Racing afraid of this thing? Personally, I hope the AMA allows it in.

Let the Buells race!

jpp · 01-25-2006, 06:57 AM

The article answers it's own question - if the XBRR is based on an an engine and frame form a current production bike it's legal for FX - I suspect that using the XB frame and a modified production engine meets that requirement. It's not street legal because they don't have lights, turn signals, dot rubber, EPA approved muffler etc.

In other words there is nothing to see here, move along.

Buzglyd · 01-25-2006, 07:02 AM

I'd have to venture a guess that Buell did its homework regarding the FX class prior to releasing this model.

bollert · 01-25-2006, 09:02 AM

Yea, I don't get the beef either. The Erion CBR was a $9000 streetbike when it arrived at Erion's shop in a box, but I'd bet the wheels never rotated even before the bike was completely stripped of most all factory parts. I wonder how much an FX CBR costs, including the bike price itself. Buell is trying to offer a raceready bike so that more folks will race them, just a marketing tool. I wonder if the Buell XBRR is FX ready out the box.

nweaver · 01-25-2006, 09:14 AM

For rule purposes, this is probably considered an XB-9R: With the stock but strengthened chassis, a new swingarm (unlimited mods for air cooleds), whatever body work is desired, etc.

The rule for air cooled twins in Formula Extreme is basically unlimited modification to the engine, so this undoubtedly qualifies unless Buell REALLY screwed up.

http://www.amaproracing.com/prorace/...20Rulebook.pdf

The only gotcha may be Chapter 1: E-2-H-2 (formula extreme homologation): But this would be OK as long as Buell says that the frame & engine started life destined for the streetbike.

I think Superbike Planet really jumped the gun here.

acecycleins · 01-25-2006, 09:44 AM

It's stupid. Erion is whining about something they know will (or already has) been reviewed by AMA Pro Racing anyway. I'd bet my K100 on the fact that Eric sat down with AMA months ago to make sure that the bike could race in the 200. I'd also bet they said "sure we need the deversity". So Erion is flapping his gums for no reason at all.

bboule · 01-25-2006, 10:15 AM

It may be stupid for Erion to be complaining but letting Buell have unlimited modifications IMO makes the class pretty retarded.

If the bike is so uncompetitive that they get to have over double the displacement, as many mods as they want on any part of the bike, etc, etc, then Buell better win every race all season long or they look pretty pathetic.

The class has obviously been stacked for Buell... if they can't win with this bike commandingly why on earth should we root for them.

mscuddy · 01-25-2006, 10:48 AM

"The relevant question seems to be this: where is the XBRR streetbike this machine is based on?"

Um, looks like it's based on a...uh....er...Buell?

Kinda at least.

drthompson65 · 01-25-2006, 11:01 AM

I agree. Let the Buell's race!

DataDan · 01-25-2006, 12:03 PM

It will race whether or not it's strictly legal simply because the AMA will bend over backwards to put a Harley in the show.

Remember the VR1000 Superbike? It was designed as a racebike from a clean sheet of paper, then homologated by getting it certified as a streetbike in Poland or something. None was ever sold as a streetbike in Poland or anywhere else AFAIK, yet there it was, racing alongside the 851s, RC45s, OW01s, ZX7s, and Gixxers--models that filled the track parking lots.

01-25-2006, 06:57 AM	#1
pplassm Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,875	Re: XBRR Not Legal for FX? C'mon. We all new this was coming, right? Is Erion Racing afraid of this thing? Personally, I hope the AMA allows it in. Let the Buells race! __________________ Mongo just pawn in game of life.

01-25-2006, 06:57 AM	#2
jpp Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 27	Re: XBRR Not Legal for FX? The article answers it's own question - if the XBRR is based on an an engine and frame form a current production bike it's legal for FX - I suspect that using the XB frame and a modified production engine meets that requirement. It's not street legal because they don't have lights, turn signals, dot rubber, EPA approved muffler etc. In other words there is nothing to see here, move along. __________________ 2006 Buell XB12X Ulysses, Black

01-25-2006, 07:02 AM	#3
Buzglyd Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 10,137	Re: XBRR Not Legal for FX? I'd have to venture a guess that Buell did its homework regarding the FX class prior to releasing this model. __________________ Jay Leno: "President Obama released his tax returns. It turns out he made $900,000 less in 2011 than he did in 2010. You know what that means? Even Obama is doing worse under President Obama."

01-25-2006, 09:02 AM	#4
bollert Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 58	Re: XBRR Not Legal for FX? Yea, I don't get the beef either. The Erion CBR was a $9000 streetbike when it arrived at Erion's shop in a box, but I'd bet the wheels never rotated even before the bike was completely stripped of most all factory parts. I wonder how much an FX CBR costs, including the bike price itself. Buell is trying to offer a raceready bike so that more folks will race them, just a marketing tool. I wonder if the Buell XBRR is FX ready out the box.

01-25-2006, 09:14 AM	#5
nweaver Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 458	I think they are misreading the rulebook... For rule purposes, this is probably considered an XB-9R: With the stock but strengthened chassis, a new swingarm (unlimited mods for air cooleds), whatever body work is desired, etc. The rule for air cooled twins in Formula Extreme is basically unlimited modification to the engine, so this undoubtedly qualifies unless Buell REALLY screwed up. http://www.amaproracing.com/prorace/...20Rulebook.pdf The only gotcha may be Chapter 1: E-2-H-2 (formula extreme homologation): But this would be OK as long as Buell says that the frame & engine started life destined for the streetbike. I think Superbike Planet really jumped the gun here.

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01-25-2006, 09:44 AM	#6
acecycleins Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: North Georgia Posts: 4,125	Re: XBRR Not Legal for FX? It's stupid. Erion is whining about something they know will (or already has) been reviewed by AMA Pro Racing anyway. I'd bet my K100 on the fact that Eric sat down with AMA months ago to make sure that the bike could race in the 200. I'd also bet they said "sure we need the deversity". So Erion is flapping his gums for no reason at all. __________________ "Slack" - a state of being in which everything flows smoothly.....a frame of mind so at ease that the universe naturally cooperates.

01-25-2006, 10:15 AM	#7
bboule Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 150	Re: XBRR Not Legal for FX? It may be stupid for Erion to be complaining but letting Buell have unlimited modifications IMO makes the class pretty retarded. If the bike is so uncompetitive that they get to have over double the displacement, as many mods as they want on any part of the bike, etc, etc, then Buell better win every race all season long or they look pretty pathetic. The class has obviously been stacked for Buell... if they can't win with this bike commandingly why on earth should we root for them.

01-25-2006, 10:48 AM	#8
mscuddy MODERATOR X Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Next to my still checkin the temp. Posts: 5,444	Re: XBRR Not Legal for FX? "The relevant question seems to be this: where is the XBRR streetbike this machine is based on?" Um, looks like it's based on a...uh....er...Buell? Kinda at least. __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that.

01-25-2006, 11:01 AM	#9
drthompson65 Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Brooklyn Park, MN Posts: 238	Re: XBRR Not Legal for FX? I agree. Let the Buell's race! __________________ 2000 Honda CBR 929RR (Sold) 2002 Suzuki GSX-R1000 (Sold) 2003 Honda RC-51 (Sold) 2004 Ducati 999 Mono Yellow (Wrecked May 06) 2006 Ducati 999S Mono Black (Replaced Wife June 06) 1972-2000 A collection of mini, dirt, and road bikes to vast too list..

01-25-2006, 12:03 PM	#10
DataDan Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 117	Re: XBRR Not Legal for FX? It will race whether or not it's strictly legal simply because the AMA will bend over backwards to put a Harley in the show. Remember the VR1000 Superbike? It was designed as a racebike from a clean sheet of paper, then homologated by getting it certified as a streetbike in Poland or something. None was ever sold as a streetbike in Poland or anywhere else AFAIK, yet there it was, racing alongside the 851s, RC45s, OW01s, ZX7s, and Gixxers--models that filled the track parking lots.