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Old 10-21-2005, 07:21 AM   #31
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Default Re: Motorcycle deaths rise after repeal of Fla. helmet laws.

It sounds like a direct result of threats from the federal government of highway funding withheld until they have seatbelt laws, but don't do this for helmet laws. These are similar to the .06 DUI limits (or was it .08?). The federal government is not allowed to enact laws like these, but can withhold certain funding from states which do not meet their requirements.
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Old 10-21-2005, 07:21 AM   #32
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...and we already know what kind of track record Jeb has on respecting the privacy rights of people existing in a permanent vegetative state, right?
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Old 10-21-2005, 09:15 AM   #33
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Default Re: Motorcycle deaths rise after repeal of Fla. helmet laws.

Let me just pose a few questions. Should the government regulate all dangerous activites? ie rock climbing, snow boarding, swimming in a pool.



I'm in favor of less regulation rather than more. Instead, I think we should remove the requirement that hospitals care for certain kinds of injuries unless and until you can demonstrate the ability to pay for your care.



Oohhh, nasty gouge out of your skull from that fall. Insurance card? Credit card with $10k+ on it? Nope? So sorry about your luck. The door is over here, but you might try the clinic down the street! I also think that hikers and climbers (I do both) who get in way over their head and need rescuing should be indebted with the cost of their rescue.



I believe the true social cost is loosing the fundamental freedoms that we enjoy in America.



It's mixing an entitlement with a freedom that's causing the problem here. (1) you ought to be able to participate in whatever dangerous activities you want. (2) and then you should have to take full responsibility for the cost of all injuries that occur during those activities. However, right now in the U.S., a hospital is legally obligated to provide care for you if they have the ability to provide that care (as an aside, the cost of fulfilling this requirement is one of the things that's driving many hospitals to drop trauma units). Human vegetables are very expensive to take care of.



People who don't want to wear a helmet 'cause it messes with their style and who don't want to have adequate insurance for whatever reason (who don't want to take responsibility for their decision to ride in the first place) are the problem. Along with the freedom to do what you like comes the need to take full responsibility for your actions. Most people are arguing for the first and forgetting about the importance of the second.



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Old 10-21-2005, 09:55 AM   #34
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Default Re: Motorcycle deaths rise after repeal of Fla. helmet laws.

Good points on the low speed non-highway percentage of crashes you responded to. Your explanation of crash dynamics and the body acting like a whip makes intuitive sense. I am very supportive of education and facts to help riders make informed decisions.



"-- Here's an idea for legislation: if you want to ride with no helmet, you must agree to be an organ donor and sign a Living Will permitting harvesting your organs if brain injury leaves you in a vegetative state."



AND cagers that do the same (seatbelt-less accidents generating vegetative staters) must agree to be organ donors, in advance. Smokers must carry insurance to cover any disease they may contract and sign away organs. The list of must-be-signed agreements will be long. We must control other people if we don't like their behavior. This type of legislation has no end. Unfortunately is has a lot of supporters and it will likely destroy enjoyable activities like motorcycling. "Do it for the common good" legislation tends to whack the fun right out of life but it appears to make some feel good.

Here is a solution, everyone wear a stinking helmet before our "protectors" shove more mandatory safety laws down our throats, "for our own good."



"Completely avoidable death of 24y/o woman."



This is a sad story but I am not sure how anyone would know this high speed highside is guaranteed survivable just because you have a helmet. Riders and passengers can go though completely different dynamics in a crash. Although I do believe the possibility of highsides are a screaming reason WHY thinking riders regularly use a helmet AND other non-regulated safety gear.



Rider or not be sure to update your organ donor wishes per your state's requirement. I know CA used to have a card you could carry with your DL stating your wishes.



Remember, you don't need no stinkin' law to do the right thing!



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Old 10-21-2005, 10:31 AM   #35
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Damn.....what's so hard about wearing a helmet? If you don't wear one you have a better chance of suriving playing headbutt with a bus.
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Old 10-21-2005, 10:35 AM   #36
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Default And this surprises anybody?

Hello? Is this a surprise to anybody? Did someone statistically calculate that all the people who stopped wearing helmets were going to stop having accidents too?



Someone has a firm grasp of the obvious.
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Old 10-21-2005, 11:32 AM   #37
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Default Re: Motorcycle deaths rise after repeal of Fla. helmet laws.

I grew up in West Palm Beach.



Manatees are constantly getting killed by the propellers of passing boats as they surface to breathe.



There is no helmet law for manatees.



The corelation of these data is irrefutable.



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Old 10-21-2005, 11:42 AM   #38
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Old 10-21-2005, 11:48 AM   #39
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Amen to that .As someone who is still in the medical field,we know that the brain in 90-95%aqueous solution .When autopsies are done ,the coroner has literally cradle the brain with both hands to get it out of the brain cavity.Of course,he does not have this trouble after a fool who was in a motorcycle accident,and wasn,t wearing a helmet.All he has to use is a pooper scooper...Wear a lid please!!!!
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Old 10-21-2005, 11:52 AM   #40
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