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naco_traficante · 09-07-2005, 04:13 AM

Any training is better than none.

First post !

Abe_Froman · 09-07-2005, 04:18 AM

"You may be on another brand of motorcycle, but someday, you'll be on a Harley," Lessard says. "If you're on two wheels, I'm interested in making you a better rider."

The only training I have ever had was from roadracers. I don't believe anyone else is qualified to tell someone else how to ride a motorcycle well. Especially not some dude selling Harleys.

State Sen. Bob Letourneau has apparently never ridden a motorcycle if he thinks "pressing the handlebars in the direction they want to go" is the proper technique.

IceWorm · 09-07-2005, 04:18 AM

I saw this on Yahoo News. Wear protective gear, get training, that's what I say. If we keep repeating it maybe it will sink in!

IceWorm · 09-07-2005, 04:22 AM

Roadracers have no special insights into safe riding in city traffic, you need the Motorcycle Safety Foundation for that.

banditrider · 09-07-2005, 04:26 AM

"State Sen. Bob Letourneau has apparently never ridden a motorcycle if he thinks "pressing the handlebars in the direction they want to go" is the proper technique"

Sounds like a simple description of countersteering to me.......

acecycleins · 09-07-2005, 04:40 AM

The real fact is that almost all states make it so easy to get a motorcycle license it's embarassing. First, as much as people hate this idea, graduated licensing needs to be implemented in all states. Want a start on that? Steal England's licensing system. Next, make sure all states fund the MSF. Georgia charges us motorcyclist for the fund, yet they don't actually fund the MSF. Where's the money, Sonny? Making the MSF affordable is what draws riders. If the price is right then people will sign up. Then the MSF HAS to get trainers. It's a non-profit. Pay some guys a real world wage and trainers will flock in. If your MSF course went from $60 to say $85 wouldn't you still pay? Here in GA the course is over $250 and private courses "Rider's Edge" is closer to $350. Is Rider's Edge non-profit?

I could go on but you get the point. Oh, one last rant. If the ABATE guys would get off the stupid helmet laws and turn that concern to REAL rider safety then maybe their membership would grow and the rest of the world wouldn't think they're a bunch of yahoos.

cptaebphd · 09-07-2005, 04:42 AM

NH State motto: "Live Free or Die!" Hopefully, the powers that be can convince riders that rider education is essential to enjoying the sport and that training does not infringe on their "freedom" but enhances it. But for the love of God/Buddha/Zeus/The White Witch, don't pass a law!

longride · 09-07-2005, 04:52 AM

"If the ABATE guys would get off the stupid helmet laws and turn that concern to REAL rider safety then maybe their membership would grow and the rest of the world wouldn't think they're a bunch of yahoos."

Obviously with a statement like that, you haven't the slightest cluse what A.B.A.T.E. stands for. Go look it up.

seruzawa · 09-07-2005, 05:02 AM

Few things are more frightening than elected officals getting "concerned" about a problem so that they can "solve" it. While training is an excellent (and the best) solution you must never forget that the govt's preferred method of dealing with accident rates is "passive restraint". You can bet that horsepower limits, speed governors and such are sure to be proposed if the rates don't go down. Anyone who remembers the Carter Administration's Joan Claybrook should shudder at the thought.

The "solutions" that the bureaucrats come up with can be mind-boggling. M/C seat belts for example. No, I am not making that up. Linked braking was another mandate that was ready to be implemented until, fortunately, Carter lost the election and Claybrook went off to raise daisies.

pattonme · 09-07-2005, 05:03 AM

Unfortunately ABATE *doesn't* stand for "a Brotherhood For Training Enforcement".

I'll financially and politically support ABATE the instant they repeal their idiotic "no mandatory helmet" stance. "training and education" is a disengenuous platitude to mask their "we don't want to wear no stinkin' helmet" BS.

Sorry, you WILL wear your helmet and you WILL LIKE IT! Nitwits!

09-07-2005, 04:13 AM	#1
naco_traficante Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 466	Re: We don't need no stinking training! Any training is better than none. First post !

09-07-2005, 04:18 AM	#2
Abe_Froman Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 878	Re: We don't need no stinking training! "You may be on another brand of motorcycle, but someday, you'll be on a Harley," Lessard says. "If you're on two wheels, I'm interested in making you a better rider." The only training I have ever had was from roadracers. I don't believe anyone else is qualified to tell someone else how to ride a motorcycle well. Especially not some dude selling Harleys. State Sen. Bob Letourneau has apparently never ridden a motorcycle if he thinks "pressing the handlebars in the direction they want to go" is the proper technique.

09-07-2005, 04:18 AM	#3
IceWorm Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 160	Re: We don't need no stinking training! I saw this on Yahoo News. Wear protective gear, get training, that's what I say. If we keep repeating it maybe it will sink in!

09-07-2005, 04:22 AM	#4
IceWorm Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 160	Re: We don't need no stinking training! Roadracers have no special insights into safe riding in city traffic, you need the Motorcycle Safety Foundation for that.

09-07-2005, 04:26 AM	#5
banditrider Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 10	Re: We don't need no stinking training! "State Sen. Bob Letourneau has apparently never ridden a motorcycle if he thinks "pressing the handlebars in the direction they want to go" is the proper technique" Sounds like a simple description of countersteering to me.......

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09-07-2005, 04:40 AM	#6
acecycleins Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: North Georgia Posts: 4,125	Re: We don't need no stinking training! The real fact is that almost all states make it so easy to get a motorcycle license it's embarassing. First, as much as people hate this idea, graduated licensing needs to be implemented in all states. Want a start on that? Steal England's licensing system. Next, make sure all states fund the MSF. Georgia charges us motorcyclist for the fund, yet they don't actually fund the MSF. Where's the money, Sonny? Making the MSF affordable is what draws riders. If the price is right then people will sign up. Then the MSF HAS to get trainers. It's a non-profit. Pay some guys a real world wage and trainers will flock in. If your MSF course went from $60 to say $85 wouldn't you still pay? Here in GA the course is over $250 and private courses "Rider's Edge" is closer to $350. Is Rider's Edge non-profit? I could go on but you get the point. Oh, one last rant. If the ABATE guys would get off the stupid helmet laws and turn that concern to REAL rider safety then maybe their membership would grow and the rest of the world wouldn't think they're a bunch of yahoos. __________________ "Slack" - a state of being in which everything flows smoothly.....a frame of mind so at ease that the universe naturally cooperates.

09-07-2005, 04:42 AM	#7
cptaebphd Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 208	Re: We don't need no stinking training! NH State motto: "Live Free or Die!" Hopefully, the powers that be can convince riders that rider education is essential to enjoying the sport and that training does not infringe on their "freedom" but enhances it. But for the love of God/Buddha/Zeus/The White Witch, don't pass a law!

09-07-2005, 04:52 AM	#8
longride Super Duper Mod Man Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Anywhere they let me Posts: 10,484	Re: We don't need no stinking training! "If the ABATE guys would get off the stupid helmet laws and turn that concern to REAL rider safety then maybe their membership would grow and the rest of the world wouldn't think they're a bunch of yahoos." Obviously with a statement like that, you haven't the slightest cluse what A.B.A.T.E. stands for. Go look it up. __________________ I'm a knucklehead

09-07-2005, 05:02 AM	#9
seruzawa Robby Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: 8501 ft. Posts: 16,803	Re: We don't need no stinking training! Few things are more frightening than elected officals getting "concerned" about a problem so that they can "solve" it. While training is an excellent (and the best) solution you must never forget that the govt's preferred method of dealing with accident rates is "passive restraint". You can bet that horsepower limits, speed governors and such are sure to be proposed if the rates don't go down. Anyone who remembers the Carter Administration's Joan Claybrook should shudder at the thought. The "solutions" that the bureaucrats come up with can be mind-boggling. M/C seat belts for example. No, I am not making that up. Linked braking was another mandate that was ready to be implemented until, fortunately, Carter lost the election and Claybrook went off to raise daisies. __________________ I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.

09-07-2005, 05:03 AM	#10
pattonme Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 170	Re: We don't need no stinking training! Unfortunately ABATE doesn't stand for "a Brotherhood For Training Enforcement". I'll financially and politically support ABATE the instant they repeal their idiotic "no mandatory helmet" stance. "training and education" is a disengenuous platitude to mask their "we don't want to wear no stinkin' helmet" BS. Sorry, you WILL wear your helmet and you WILL LIKE IT! Nitwits!