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sportbikebandit 06-16-2005 08:16 AM

Not a net wash dude. (It's 4.3:1 payback)
A great point but did you read the article? I posted I don't think so

"Overall Energy Balance (each unit of energy put in yields....) [higher is better] 3.2 units (soy)

4.3 units (rapeseed) 0.5 units (electrolyzing water into hydrogen with renewable sources)"

So it for each unit of energy you put in you get 3.2 units or 4.3 back.....

hydrogen vs diesel

I know I was skeptical like you but I challenge you keep asking those types of questions and doing the research cause biodiesel wins It's being sold to day... Heck even in Texas Willy Nelson owns a few stations....

sportbikebandit 06-16-2005 08:17 AM

Re: The Hydrogen Hoax
We plan to.... I finally convinced the wife...

Buzglyd 06-16-2005 08:21 AM

Re: The Hydrogen Hoax
Well as long as she's in a good mood, you might want to ask if you can have your balls for the weekend.

sportbikebandit 06-16-2005 08:54 AM

Re: The Hydrogen Hoax
LOL I don't think I can go that far. :)

maladg 06-16-2005 09:07 AM

Re: Fuel Cell Motorcycles
Holding your breath until that happens should not be a problem.

maladg 06-16-2005 09:21 AM

Re: Not a net wash dude. (It's 4.3:1 payback)
I did read the article and noticed a nice pictoral, speeches, etc. on the NBB Site by your archfiend - the Bushmeister. HAH! He was saying favorable things. Which means nothing. The market will decide.

Actually for once, I hope you are kinda right. However I'm not yet ready to buy all of the claims. Going to need to see more, er..skeptical types do some real world testing & analysis.

The University world is a vast elephant boneyard of seeming good ideas that don't pan out for all sorts of reasons.

I'd say more, LOTS more. But I rather not take a chance that some of my ole grad school partners in crime might be reading this.

staff 06-16-2005 09:57 AM

Re: Bets anyone?
Kpaul is doing well, please don't antagonize him. Really.


sportbikebandit 06-16-2005 10:33 AM

A real world user's story and locations you can buy it now in progressive Seattle

staff 06-16-2005 10:46 AM

Re: The Hydrogen Hoax
I did, I own two diesels, a 2005 Ford truck (in Thailand) and a Monaco Dynasty Princess, the former gets about 35 mpg on the highway and the latter, oh, maybe seven, but it sure rolls in style.

So, I'm going to big a big financial backer of biodiesel ;-)

I wanted a Jeep Liberty diesel here in the USA, but you can't buy them in California and I really just had to have a Benz. Buzz, you know how that goes.

Brazil is mostly ethanol these days, and they produce it

from sugar cane grown there. They have something like 250 million acres available to grow more, and they're just about there in being self-supported with renewable fuels. It's been a 30-year campaign. Most impressive. Why couldn't we have done the same after the 1970s embargo?

Almost all new cars in Brazil can run on gasoline, ethanol or any mix between the two. They maintain a small gasoline reserve near the engine for cold-starting needs.

Biodisel and ethanol are the no-big-thinkers-needed solution to being energy independent. Heck, civilian and agrarian waste can be processed into fuel -- eat and consume more and have more fuel! What could be better for America?

johnnyb 06-16-2005 11:20 AM

Re: The Hydrogen Hoax
don't be going all intellectual on us Cashley. There is tons of oil soon as we club all the baby harp seals off the drilling site. Fossul fuel Forever!

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