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Old 05-12-2005, 02:09 PM   #11
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Yes it is. Right of way violations are already subject to being cited. Furthermore you are subject to civil action (which in California has a relatively high chance of success). Making things "easier" for police and prosecutors is not my desire nor is it among most of those who share a libertarian view of the world.



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Old 05-12-2005, 02:09 PM   #12
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Thank you.



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Old 05-12-2005, 02:20 PM   #13
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You're right that civil actions are available. And those will be available whether this bill passes or not. But they are an entirely different arena. As a side note, I hear it's very difficult to collect on a civil case.



But to get to the crux of your objection (I think), how does this bill make things "easier" for police and prosecutors?... "Easier" to do what?



I understand your philosophical objection, but do you have any specifics?
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Old 05-12-2005, 02:52 PM   #14
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I like the sounds of that even better!



Wonder if we can implement something like that up here in Anchorage... maybe you get fed to the bears.



Would probably end up paying the 'Feeding Wildlife' fine though.
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Old 05-12-2005, 03:01 PM   #15
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I'd agree that prosecution would be the preferred method, and that overall, this bill is a token effort. (Very similar to several motorcycle rules that my command, PACAF, has enacted; but that's off topic.) I just won't hold my breath. Real changes take a real long time.
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Old 05-12-2005, 05:06 PM   #16
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Can't argue about this one. Law Enforcement already has plenty of tools to deal with this.



Motorists get away with killing bikers because the courts and jury's buy the "I didn't see him" excuse. Add the fact that most people think that riding a motorcycle is "asking for it" I don't think that any new law is going to make any difference.



Why the new law? Because Calif has a full time legislature and they've got to keep busy somehow, right?
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Old 05-13-2005, 01:41 AM   #17
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What's an extra $100 Bush dollars for great bodily harm? Nothing. And the points as well. A law suit with a large civil judgement on the other hand would mean a lot more. Having had some (bad) experience in this matter maybe a camera in the fairing activated by sudden deacceleration would be useful.
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Old 05-13-2005, 03:24 AM   #18
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I've always held the belief that if you want to kill somone, don't shoot them, just run them over with a car. Claim it was an "accident" and take the $250 fine and the 2 points.
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Old 05-13-2005, 03:36 AM   #19
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Effin' lawyer!
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Old 05-13-2005, 03:40 AM   #20
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I'm super pro-motorcyclist, but this law is just dumb. There are already so many traffic laws that are arbitrary and bizarre that you are almost definitionally committing a crime every time you step behind the wheel - why tangle things up even further?



Further, the penalties described sound trivial.



I don't like it, not one bit. SBP is on the money here.



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