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Old 03-22-2005, 09:58 AM   #21
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You should have brought it down to SD County where your humble tour guide resides.
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Old 03-22-2005, 09:59 AM   #22
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Well done. Lets move on to something fun. This is like an abortion argument. IMHO You aren't get anyone to change their minds because it is something people have usually spent some time thinking about already...
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Old 03-22-2005, 10:01 AM   #23
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I think Americans are pretty weird. The same guys who don´t blink an eye for grilling some sick loser in an electric chair, or if guys go KIA in some remote Arabic country, the same guys who oppose helmet laws preventing thousands of unnecessary deaths, they go nuts if a certified vegetable is put to final rest.



There must be some logic here but I sure fail to see it.



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Old 03-22-2005, 10:01 AM   #24
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The analogy with seat-belt laws is not complete. One of the arguments for seat-belts was that, in an emergency maneuver or a minor bump at speed, an unsecured driver can be thrown out of position to control the car and cause a more serious accident. Of course this had more application when most cars had bench seats in front.
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Old 03-22-2005, 11:13 AM   #25
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I wanted too but I rode as much as I could in three days. Tuesday with you out to Borrego Springs. Wed all of the canyons in the Santa Monica Mountains (with a silent moment at the Sean/Dale memorial overlook) and Thursday all of the stuff north and east of Santa Barbara back to the 5 then over to Sand Cyn. I barely got back to MO before the magic hour.



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Old 03-22-2005, 11:43 AM   #26
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I just don't want to read about this topic anymore.
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Old 03-22-2005, 12:22 PM   #27
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Insofar as the Constitution is concerned, helmet laws are properly the domain of the states.



However, as a broader issue, just because government (at any level) claims it has the authority to do something doesn't make it legitimate, nor legitimate to further the scope of that authority automatically. If that was so, then you must agree with not only everything the government of the United States does, but even all the overtly totalitarian governments on earth. When government claims authority to interpret the law that restricts it, effectively you have no restriction.



BTW, strictly theoretically and principally speaking, government doesn't have "rights" at all. It has powers that are granted to it by the people, powers that are subject to revocation at any time and for any reason. Rights are something inherent, self-evident, and permanent unless revoked by due process, only able to be possessed by individuals.
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Old 03-22-2005, 12:25 PM   #28
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This is one of the best posts on this thread.



Rather than pass all manner of laws regarding helmet (or even seat belt) usage, let the market work out the issue on its own. An insurance company could bracket coverage and prices based on the safety devices one agreed to use in the policy.



I would gladly wear a helmet or seat belt 100% of the time (or drive uncovered by insurance) in return for a lower rate. Of course, I do these things already so perhaps that's why it doesn't bother me as much.
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Old 03-22-2005, 12:32 PM   #29
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Old 03-22-2005, 12:54 PM   #30
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"I think Americans are pretty weird"



Wow! Quite the blanket statement.



I bet you think since Bush is president all Americans support his every move.
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