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cptaebphd 03-01-2005 04:09 PM

Re: Lane splitting proposed for Texas
 
Thank God! Since Goldthwaite added a second stop light the traffic was really getting horrendous...

Steve781 03-01-2005 04:56 PM

Re: Lane splitting proposed for Texas
 
As a native of Houston, I'd love to see this pass. But for the first few years I would be afraid to try it myself. People here get mighty possessive about their lanes. I can see some of those dually driving cowboys "accidentally" nudging a bike if a fit of pique. I'm afraid I see the body count piling up quickly. Ad in a heavy cruiser bias and I really do think this could get ugly.

v2-90 03-01-2005 05:34 PM

Re: Lane splitting proposed for Texas
 
This is interesting - especially with the specifics of this bill regarding speeds and when it's acceptable, etc. In California, there's a common misconception that lane-splitting is legal. There's not a specific law on the books like this proposed TX one. Lane-splitting in CA is just not _illegal_ and therefore is open to _many_ interpretations of what constitutes "safe" lane-splitting. I've heard from many police and CHP; completely differing "standards" that they use to judge "safe or unsafe" lane-splitting - it's all very confusing actually...



My question is this - how is any LEO going to know one way or another if the rider splitting lanes has completed the required safety course, is over the age of 21, or has the necessary medical insurance? Will the LEO be able to randomly just stop lane-splitters to check to see if they're compliant with the regulation? And if they can do that - wouldn't this immediately invoke an ACLU suit against 4th ammendment rights?



Maybe the 4th ammendment thing is a bit overkill, as the Supreme Court already held up LEOs being able to dog-sniff your vehicle upon pulling you over for a traffic violation...



v2-90

(405 lane-splitting warrior)

sarnali 03-01-2005 06:07 PM

Re: Lane splitting proposed for Texas
 
Hey, they already have them, they're called cars. You can buy them all over the place.

imported_g_k 03-01-2005 06:09 PM

Re: Lane splitting proposed for Texas
 
The way the California law was explained to me, (by an MSF instructor who'd retired from the CHP and another CHP who'd pulled me over), was that there's no law against "sharing a lane," assuming there's room (like on a motorcycle). Also, you can't (legally) ride over the speed limit, nor can your speed be more than 15 mph faster than the vehicles you're passing.

v2-90 03-01-2005 07:37 PM

Re: Lane splitting proposed for Texas
 
Obviously, you aren't supposed to be going faster than the posted speed limit, however the 15MPH over "rule" is not law (i.e. not specifically stated in the CA Vehicle Code) - no matter what the CHP said. I know CHPs myself and I've heard that before from many of them - it's basically a "rule of thumb" that they use to differentiate safe vs. unsafe overtaking of a vehicle, which is what they would most likely cite you for, if you were going too fast past vehicles while lane-splitting (assuming you weren't going faster than the posted limit).



When lane-splitting in SoCal - this seems to be the CVC rule (as most lane-splitting is done on freeways between the #1 & #2 lanes):

21755. The driver of a motor vehicle may overtake and pass another

vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting such movement

in safety. In no event shall such movement be made by driving off

the paved or main-traveled portion of the roadway.



It's all pretty relative though - if you _are_ going faster than 15 MPH over traffic flow, chances are you're probably splitting lanes too fast (i.e. unsafely, if there is a "safe" lane-splitting model).

Holy_Kaw 03-01-2005 07:59 PM

Re: Lane splitting proposed for Texas
 
Whatever you do... Do Not! get into a lane splitting contest with Pete (the Professional Motorcycle Courier in L.A. for years guy), Al's friend.



Watch Out! Bandit (1200) 6 o'clock approaching Fast!

nbyers 03-01-2005 08:21 PM

Lane splitting proposed for Texas--how about nationally?
 
Lane splitting is not nearly as dangerous as it is perceived to be. Or at least it doesn't have to be if you use your head.



Lane splitting ought to be legal in all 50 states.

Buzglyd 03-01-2005 08:26 PM

Pete is LA moto god!
 
When we were riding back from the Sport Touring deal I was following Pete through LA rush hour traffic in the evening. We were heading back to MO and I'm fairly well-versed in lane splitting.



Pete is the Valentino Rossi of lane splitting. He would stuff his headlight in someone's mirror, wave them over and fly past. I was struggling to keep up. I was afraid I would lose him in some bad LA neighborhood.



When we got back to MO I expressed my astonishment at his abilities and he told me he was taking it easy on me!



Have the Fonz follow Pete around for a day and it will make for a great story.

Holy_Kaw 03-01-2005 09:01 PM

Re: Pete is LA moto god!
 
I was surprised at (and unable to comfortably keep up with) his pace through traffic. Even the 1000cc Sportbikes I saw him ride as well as his Bandit didn't seem to negatively affect his speed.



He told me he was just cruisin' and he looked like he was for the few seconds he was still in sight...


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