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Old 10-29-2004, 05:46 AM   #1
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I don't know anything about equestrian sports but having worked in the ski industry for a dozen years or so I can vouch for the fact that skiing is a sport that involves considerable risk of injury. I don't know if it involves the same risk of death as motorcycling (that seems a little unlikely) but a comparison on a per capita basis would sure be interesting.



If there were ever a sport that attracts even more posers than motorcycling it's gotta be downhill skiing (and now, alas, backcountry as well since it's become gauche to ski off piste). The difference is the cost of entry into the sport which is much lower. At least motorcyclists, for the most part, have to be able to afford a bike. Any goomba can rent or own skis for a relatively small amount of coin so the slopes are generally crowded with low-skilled yahoos.



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Old 10-29-2004, 06:25 AM   #2
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I'd like to see everyone start ignoring what the government has to say about our safety, and call their congressmen and women and urge them to shut down the NHTSA immediately.
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Old 10-29-2004, 07:42 AM   #3
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This comes from the National Skiing Area Association:



Skiing/snowboarding



2002 number of fatalities* 37

Number of participants (in millions)** 13

Fatalities per million participants 2.85

Days of participation (in millions)* 57.6

Fatalities per days of participation rate (per million) .64



Recreational Scuba Diving (most recent figure available - 2000)



2000 number of fatalities**** 91

Number of participants (in millions)** ___

Fatalities per million participants ___

Days of participation (in millions)** ___

Fatalities per days of participation rate (per million) ___



Swimming



2002 number of fatalities*** 2,000 (Drowning: Includes drownings of person swimming or playing in water, or falling into water, except on home premises or at work. Excludes drownings involving boats, which are in water transportation)

2001 Number of participants (in millions)** 54.7

Fatalities per million participants 36.6

Days of participation (in millions)** 2321.2

Fatalities per days of participation rate (per million) .86



Bicycling (resulting from collisions with motor vehicles-additional bicycling-related deaths, such as collisions with other bicyclists in 1998 was 120.)



2002 number of fatalities*** 700

Number of participants (in millions)** 41.4

Fatalities per million participants 16.9

Days of participation (in millions)** 2,181.8

By days of participation rate (per million) .32

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Old 10-29-2004, 08:19 AM   #4
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The Washington Post wants me to register to read the article. No thanks, even though it's free.
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Old 10-29-2004, 09:57 AM   #5
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The yuppies discovered cross country skiing up there in Idaho too? Don't you love they way they ruin every decent recreational activity you can name? I've still not gotten over the stinking granola crunching bicyclists ruining Moab.
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Old 10-29-2004, 10:04 AM   #6
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What? And lose all the wonderful things that the Feds have done to make us safe? Like child killing airbags?



How about the fact that cars are safer because of vastly improved suspensions and braking (try driving one of those vaunted 60's-70's muscle cars if you don't think so). The govt ordered that, right? You mean that the govt didn't mandate that? I'm shocked. They are always on the forefront of technology!



If left to the govt we'd still be using ox driven wooden plows. Heck, if the luddite envirowackos get their way we will again.
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Old 10-29-2004, 10:40 AM   #7
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Helluva thing, ain't it. We live in a part of the world where the outdoors are almost completely uncrowded and people still find a way to muck things up. Selfishness, stupidity, and massive arrogance abound on both sides of almost every wilderness issue around here and almost no need for any of it. I'd probably ***** me off if it didn't make me so depressed first.
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Old 10-29-2004, 10:45 AM   #8
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you mean back country?



not sure what cross-country skiing ruins, but I'm just a granola crunching yuppie.
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Old 10-29-2004, 01:38 PM   #9
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Great info!



Since I am not going to pay for the WP,

if someone would post the stats in the

original article by the WP...



I (and others) would have something to comapre to.
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Old 10-29-2004, 02:12 PM   #10
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It's simply that places we used to go cross country skiing on in the Wasatch have been turned into fee areas thanks to the yuppies. It's upsetting to see once free areas be taken over by intersts that suddenly want to charge you for the privelege of doing what you've already been doing.



It's not like anyone has to pay for the snowfall.



Anyhow I enjoy a nice bowl of granola as much as anyone.



Progress, I guess.
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