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seruzawa · 09-22-2004, 10:13 AM

Now, I think this guy shouldn't get out of it. This is the sort of thing that gives insurance companies the excuse to harass all riders of sportbikes.

That being said, he needs a lawyer because he has a good case. It is impossible for an RC51 to travel 205 mph. All the defense has to do is demonstrate that the officer screwed up the clocking of the speed and the case is thrown out. The defendant need say nothing about how fast he was going.

grandmasta-flash · 09-22-2004, 10:25 AM

Quote:

"The defendant need say nothing about how fast he was going."

That reminds me of the Chappelle Show

I plea the fifth, bam bam, I plea the fifth.

One two three four FIIIIIIIIFFF!

Dreadstar · 09-22-2004, 10:40 AM

Note to Honda :

Dear, Honda

I believe your " Golden Boy " has been found - and at a relative bargain !!!

For the price of bail money , an airplane ticket , and the shipping of one amazing CBR1000 . You can take care of that pesky Rossi once and for all !!!

christian_gates · 09-22-2004, 10:52 AM

I believe that the timing strips on the highway are 1/4 mile apar - correct me if this is wrong, but it's only somewhat relevant to my point.

At very high speeds, unless the points used for measurement are very far apart, you'll need some fairly precise timing to get an accurate reading. Let's assume my 1/4 mile for discussion purposes. At 60 MPH, this distance takes 15 seconds to traverse. At 90 MPH, it takes 10 seconds. We're still within the realm of reason. At 180 MPH, though we're down to five seconds and small timing increments have dramatic impacts. One-half seconds less time will give you a reading of 200 MPH, while one-half second more will yield 164 MPH. While the difference between 180 and 165 and 200, from a legal point of view, is probably irrelevant, measurements become more error prone the finer they have to be.

I doubt parallax had much to do with this, as the measurement points would be almost adjacent to the bike (painted marks on the highway). If the measurements were far from the bike, then parallax with a moving observer would be more of an issue.

My ultimate point is that the difference between 205 and 200 and even 180 is huge to sportbike geeks (like me) - but such unrealistic difference in top speed is easily attributable to imprecise estimates.

Also note that at slow speeds, the officer has time to take a bite of doughnut and slurp some coffee and still have a reasonable estimate of speed because of the relatively long time it takes to travel the measurement distance at speeds closer to the legislated speed limit.

cdg

Nplateau · 09-22-2004, 10:54 AM

So true. So true.

Dreadstar · 09-22-2004, 11:02 AM

????????????? Uhhh.... yeah ... what he just said ... I think ?

squidly51 · 09-22-2004, 11:05 AM

I saw Greg White on 2 Wheel Tuesday trying to

make a case about how the speed was exagerated.

It doesn't matter if it is 180 or 205 mph. This is so completely stupid. Right up there with the idiot that killed himself doing naked wheelies for some bunch of idiots that actually film and sell this crap.

Now I feel better....

SeanAlexander · 09-22-2004, 11:10 AM

Parallax error is error caused by the offset between a sight and path of the projectile being fired (or clocked). The idea is that the airplane could NOT be directly above both lines for the timing of the pass and it is likely (considering the improbability that the bike was actually travelling at anything near 205MPH) that the error in the reported speed is due to the officer triggering his timing device at the wrong moment, due to mistaking his reference points. -Sean

SeanAlexander · 09-22-2004, 11:12 AM

The idea is to prove that the observation isn't anywhere near the actual speed that the vehicle was travelling and to say that because of this obvious error, no determination of actual speed can be made. -Sean

Holy_Kaw · 09-22-2004, 11:27 AM

If that bike wasn't seriously Hopped Up I hope he secured it away were it can't be tampered with, the "Law" has probably taken care of that for him. There is no way a stock 1000cc RR or RC51 (or anything) is going to go 205MPH unless there was a STRONG tailwind, or a long fall. Any number of experts could testify to that. If the guy was on Miguel's spare bike, well that would be a different story. There was most likely a timing error. This guy needs a Good lawyer (I know, oxymoron). If Justice is served (we all know that always happens in this country right?) the case should be thrown out, Next! Of course there is a lot of money to be made on victimless crimes in this Country.

An aside, I have always (since 14 anyway) wanted to go over 200MPH on a Motorcycle. If that guy was going close to that fast I'll bet he has had to LHAO over the bragging rights. Maximum Style points, an International Star? I'd buy him some drinks for the story but he may end up busy for awhile.

09-22-2004, 10:13 AM	#11
seruzawa Robby Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: 8501 ft. Posts: 16,803	Re: 205MPH on a CBR 1000RR? Now, I think this guy shouldn't get out of it. This is the sort of thing that gives insurance companies the excuse to harass all riders of sportbikes. That being said, he needs a lawyer because he has a good case. It is impossible for an RC51 to travel 205 mph. All the defense has to do is demonstrate that the officer screwed up the clocking of the speed and the case is thrown out. The defendant need say nothing about how fast he was going. __________________ I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.

09-22-2004, 10:25 AM	#12
grandmasta-flash Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 28	Re: 205MPH on a CBR 1000RR? Quote: "The defendant need say nothing about how fast he was going." That reminds me of the Chappelle Show I plea the fifth, bam bam, I plea the fifth. One two three four FIIIIIIIIFFF!

09-22-2004, 10:40 AM	#13
Dreadstar Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 24	Re: 205MPH on a CBR 1000RR? Note to Honda : Dear, Honda I believe your " Golden Boy " has been found - and at a relative bargain !!! For the price of bail money , an airplane ticket , and the shipping of one amazing CBR1000 . You can take care of that pesky Rossi once and for all !!!

09-22-2004, 10:52 AM	#14
christian_gates Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 209	Re: 205MPH on a CBR 1000RR? I believe that the timing strips on the highway are 1/4 mile apar - correct me if this is wrong, but it's only somewhat relevant to my point. At very high speeds, unless the points used for measurement are very far apart, you'll need some fairly precise timing to get an accurate reading. Let's assume my 1/4 mile for discussion purposes. At 60 MPH, this distance takes 15 seconds to traverse. At 90 MPH, it takes 10 seconds. We're still within the realm of reason. At 180 MPH, though we're down to five seconds and small timing increments have dramatic impacts. One-half seconds less time will give you a reading of 200 MPH, while one-half second more will yield 164 MPH. While the difference between 180 and 165 and 200, from a legal point of view, is probably irrelevant, measurements become more error prone the finer they have to be. I doubt parallax had much to do with this, as the measurement points would be almost adjacent to the bike (painted marks on the highway). If the measurements were far from the bike, then parallax with a moving observer would be more of an issue. My ultimate point is that the difference between 205 and 200 and even 180 is huge to sportbike geeks (like me) - but such unrealistic difference in top speed is easily attributable to imprecise estimates. Also note that at slow speeds, the officer has time to take a bite of doughnut and slurp some coffee and still have a reasonable estimate of speed because of the relatively long time it takes to travel the measurement distance at speeds closer to the legislated speed limit. cdg

09-22-2004, 10:54 AM	#15
Nplateau Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 409	Re: 205MPH on a CBR 1000RR? So true. So true.

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09-22-2004, 11:02 AM	#16
Dreadstar Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 24	Re: christian_gates ????????????? Uhhh.... yeah ... what he just said ... I think ?

09-22-2004, 11:05 AM	#17
squidly51 Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 22	Re: 205MPH on a CBR 1000RR? I saw Greg White on 2 Wheel Tuesday trying to make a case about how the speed was exagerated. It doesn't matter if it is 180 or 205 mph. This is so completely stupid. Right up there with the idiot that killed himself doing naked wheelies for some bunch of idiots that actually film and sell this crap. Now I feel better....

09-22-2004, 11:10 AM	#18
SeanAlexander Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Newport Coast, CA Posts: 1,538	Re: Parallex error??? Physics for Racerboys. Parallax error is error caused by the offset between a sight and path of the projectile being fired (or clocked). The idea is that the airplane could NOT be directly above both lines for the timing of the pass and it is likely (considering the improbability that the bike was actually travelling at anything near 205MPH) that the error in the reported speed is due to the officer triggering his timing device at the wrong moment, due to mistaking his reference points. -Sean __________________ I thought I'd found true happiness in my personal bath body bar.... Then I tried DOVE! with 1/4 moisturizing cream!!!

09-22-2004, 11:12 AM	#19
SeanAlexander Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Newport Coast, CA Posts: 1,538	Re: 205MPH on a CBR 1000RR? The idea is to prove that the observation isn't anywhere near the actual speed that the vehicle was travelling and to say that because of this obvious error, no determination of actual speed can be made. -Sean __________________ I thought I'd found true happiness in my personal bath body bar.... Then I tried DOVE! with 1/4 moisturizing cream!!!

09-22-2004, 11:27 AM	#20
Holy_Kaw Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,230	Re: 205MPH on a CBR 1000RR? If that bike wasn't seriously Hopped Up I hope he secured it away were it can't be tampered with, the "Law" has probably taken care of that for him. There is no way a stock 1000cc RR or RC51 (or anything) is going to go 205MPH unless there was a STRONG tailwind, or a long fall. Any number of experts could testify to that. If the guy was on Miguel's spare bike, well that would be a different story. There was most likely a timing error. This guy needs a Good lawyer (I know, oxymoron). If Justice is served (we all know that always happens in this country right?) the case should be thrown out, Next! Of course there is a lot of money to be made on victimless crimes in this Country. An aside, I have always (since 14 anyway) wanted to go over 200MPH on a Motorcycle. If that guy was going close to that fast I'll bet he has had to LHAO over the bragging rights. Maximum Style points, an International Star? I'd buy him some drinks for the story but he may end up busy for awhile.