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Old 01-25-2004, 07:12 AM   #101
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Default What happens when....

... a person is incapable of self-criticism? They believe that they are "right" and their "rightness" is self-evident in spite of any evidence to the contrary. Therefore everyone who disagrees with them is wrong and then stupid and finally evil.



I'd rather be riding. But we've had 25 days of below freezing temperatures and there's an ice dam in my driveway. Bummer.
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Old 01-25-2004, 07:26 AM   #102
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Default Hey...

We've already got enough rubbies cruising up Spanish Fork Canyon on Sundays. Don't encourage them.



Wouldn't work anyhow. The Mormon's occaisionally get into the paroxysms of self-righteousness and flip out when they see a beer can. They stopped the Widowmaker Hillclimb in Draper back in the 80's partially due to one of these cyclic anti-alcohol Jihads. The Harlet crowd wouldn't be very welcome, tourist dollars or not.



Stay away from Utah. It's a horrible place. All that empty space without a Starbucks within a hundred miles. Especially avoid Ray's Tavern in Green River. Never go there.



I still can't figure out what good a boycott of Sturgis by people who never go there in the first place is gonna do. I could boycott Saudi Arabia because I don't like their financial support of terrorists. A lot of good that would do.



But I wouldn't blame anyone who decides to boycott Sturgis. Screw that state and their stinking judge. Such a show of force might, just might, be noticed nationally and that might help in the long run. There are plenty of other beautiful places to tour to anyhow.
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Old 01-25-2004, 08:02 AM   #103
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How convenient that they "forget" that the only reason Clowntoon (an adulterer and rapist" who hired thugs to intimidate his erstwhile paramours, but good on "women's issues) didn't bust the budget was that the pubbies wouldn't let him.



The pubbies in congress will stand up to a spendthrift Democrat President, but they roll over for a spendthrift Pubbie one.



This year we get to choose, once again, from a list of equally repulsive choices. Oh joy.



I take that back. Weasley Clark is one dangerous person. Do you recall that during the peacelover Clowntoon's Kosovo War Gen. Clark ordered a British NATO unit to attack a Russian military unit? Fortunately for the world the Brit refused and WWIII didn't start and later Clark got canned. Over 500 American troops died that year, but we don't worry about it since the demcrats have good intentions. We only get upset when republican presidents kill over 500 Americans. There's a huge difference there somewhere, I guess.



I hope that Dr. Strangelove... er I mean Clark is out of the running early. Then we get the traditional American race for office between a plethora of plain thieves rather than stark staring mad thieves.



When did Clark switch from being a pubbie to a Democrat? Last week? When he decided that all those times he publicly supported attacking Iraq didn't happen? Were those tapes of his testimony all fakes?



Clark testifies, "All the actions I did were simply to protect the body politic and also to stop the introduction of impurities into our bodily fluids."
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Old 01-25-2004, 09:31 AM   #104
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Default Re: Bush lied and soldiers died, 9/11 hijackers were not from Iraq

What about the thousands of his own people he killed? Were you this sanguine when clinton sent troops to the balkans?I am not a globalist, but we took it on the chin on 9/11. After pearl harbor, we kicked Japan's and germany's ass, rightfully so. I am so shocked by the pusilanimy in this country and the only thing I can atribute it to is that people here have it too good. We could learn a lot from my father's generation, unfortunately, that lesson has been lost. We do not need any countries permission to defend ourselves, whether through offensive or defensive messures. If someone broke in to your house, would you ask your neighbors permissions if you could go after him? I hope not.
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Old 01-25-2004, 09:41 AM   #105
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Time to hunker in the bunker with some good hooch and an IOM TT dvd.
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Old 01-25-2004, 09:52 AM   #106
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I here ya', I've been over the pass between Spanish Fork and Green River a few times going to visit my wifes family in Oklahoma.

What a lousy road, nothing but twists and turns, hardley any other traffic, nothing to look at but desert and scrub.

Best to stick to the freeway where it's safe!

Besides them Mormans tend to go off the deep end when outsiders show up in their mountains and meadows
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Old 01-25-2004, 10:32 AM   #107
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There were no American troops killed in Kosovo. You are using the bushie big lie approach.
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Old 01-25-2004, 11:50 AM   #108
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Default Heh heh

I thought it was a pretty good use of the "big lie", which was perfected by Hitler and is the main political technique used by Democrats today. "Spotted Owls only live in old growth forests." "We are beginnning a new ice age/ global warming/ whatever." "Worst economy in 50 years." There are no bigger liars in politics than liberals.



While 500 troops didn't die on Kosovo about 4000 Serb civilians did. That was for strategic minerals instead of oil. How about all the Haitian boat people who tried to come to the US because Clinton promised they could? Then he changed his mind and many of those people drowned or were murdered by Haitian authorities when they returned. Clinton even tried to send US troops to Haiti unarmed as peacekeepers. What were they suppposed to use, strong language? And what about the children "saved" at Waco by Janet Reno... who never did anything without Clinton's approval. What about Reno's lies about Koresh's non-existent drug lab (so she could get military support)?



So much for liberals' holier-then-thou pronouncements about lies.



How about the US troops who died in Somalia because Clinton wouldn't allow them their own armor support? How about the 50,000+ who died uselessly in Nam because of that butcher Johnson, another socialist peacelover?



We can even lay WW2 and Korea at the feet of incompetent left-wingers who use appeasement rather than toughness when dealing with thugs. Hitler could easily have been stopped early on but oh no... Neville Chamberlian (another socialist) got his famous treaty instead of doing what obviously needed to be done. Heck Hitler told everybody what he intended to do. But as a testimonial to cowardice the people responsible were to cowardly to act.



In Korea Truman refused to properly arm the SK army because he didn't want to antagonize the saber-rattling NKs. Bush will have to keep the Iraq occupation going on for over 100 years to equal that bloodletting.



I actually agree that the Iraq War was a unnecessary. But Saddam Hussein did everything he could to make everyone believe that he did have WMDs. As ye sow, so shall ye reap. At least Saddam's torture chambers are empty now. It wasn't all a loss. And, gee, Libya's stopping its nuke program. And the NKs are making similar overtures. Speaking of which we now know that the NKs were making plutonium all that time that Clinton assured us they weren't.



When it comes to situations like Hitler, Korea, 9-11, etc etc the wrong thing to do is nothing.



So, please avoid calling others liars. There are too many tens of million of skeletons in your own closet.
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Old 01-25-2004, 12:30 PM   #109
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Default Excellent point too bad thaty Budglyd is too closed minded to think about it

Buzglyd is a Rush drone. Not capable of thinking for himself
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Old 01-25-2004, 12:47 PM   #110
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Default It's not that simple. Look for the real cause of 9/11

Sadam was a bad dude yes. But what about other bad dudes all over the world, North Korea, Lybia, Cuba, Syria Do we invade them? Why Sadam and not them? Oil Oil Oil Most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia none from Iraq. This situation is totally different than WWII. Remember we were attacked first. There was no connection between Sadam and Osama. In fact Sadam gave orders to the Iraqi people not to cooperate with them



Look I worked hard to get where I am so don't give my that too soft crap. The Bush doctrine is not American and arguably unconstituional. We aren't the old British Empire. We don't enforce our will with out being attacked.



I dare you to look for the real cause of 9/11 and not believe what the Bush white house puts out in the form of propaganda. Osama attacked the U.S. because of the U.S. presence in Saudi Arabia and our policies in the Iraeli/Palistine conflidt.. pure and simple



I supported the war in Afghanistan because we were attacking the folks who attacked us. Stop trusting Rush and trust yourself to know the truth.
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