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Old 07-24-2003, 10:08 AM   #31
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The funniest thing is that Marlon Brando rode a TRIUMPH.

Guess the Harley Charleys missed that part of the fantasy
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Old 07-24-2003, 10:19 AM   #32
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Now that was funny. Never let your little brother (who has never ridden) ride your bike is the lesson here.
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Old 07-24-2003, 10:27 AM   #33
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Default Re: Deaths among riders 50 and over increased 26 percent.

Here is a link that supports exactly what I posted that the death rate has to be higher. It's easy to find information like this on the web.



http://www.americanmotor.com/news.cfm?NEWSID=1417



I'm not saying that you have to wear a helmet. To be honest, I feel much safer with one on but don't really care if others don't wear one.



I'd probably agree that the non-helmeted guys ride slower but not more carefully. Many of them are on slower poor handling bikes and possibly riding above their limits as well. You also see them riding from bar to bar and many times with 2 people on the bike.
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Old 07-24-2003, 10:29 AM   #34
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Just read in yesterday's paper that cell phone usage while driving impairs driver worse than .01 alcohol in blood. I told my wife that I had wrote practically this same thing on MO. Apparently you visually shut down while talking on phone similar to boozing and driving. It's no wonder that bikers are being wacked left and right. You get hit by a car and you get messed up bad helmeted or not. Just this past weekend a motorcyclist in Iowa was hit head-on when a car crossed the centerline. Not only was the biker croaked, the car driver is in critical condition. Biker was wearing a helmet and Iowa doesn't require. I don't know that the car driver was talking on a cell phone but if you look around almost everyone is these days. It'll take alot of phone related deaths to do something about it since all legislators are probably offenders.
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Old 07-24-2003, 10:32 AM   #35
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Default Re: Deaths among riders 50 and over increased 26 percent.

That's interesting because this didn't happen in Utah when the helmet law was repealed. Weird.
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Old 07-24-2003, 10:43 AM   #36
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Default Re: dead horse whackage, pt.4

Kpaul's "out of shape boomers on fat cruisers" wearing beanies would be counted as helmeted riders in that kind of study, so it wouldn't mean much realisticaly.

My opinion is the accident rate is probably high for guy's under 25 or so typically riding sportbikes over their heads.

Then tapering off for middle aged long term riders like myself and many others who have honed their skills over years of daily riding, whether on sportbikes or sport-tourers or cruisers.

Then increasing again for older "re-entry" riders who are trying to recapture their youth or score young ginch or be bad-azz or whatever, some of whom buy into the helmet-less party bro cruiser culture and wind up in alchohol related single vehicale crashes.

Pointing at helmets isn't really going to be accurate because plenty of people ride helmet-less and sober for years without problems

It seems to me that the single biggest factor is alchohol, If you're half crocked you're gonna' get hurt no matter what you're riding.
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Old 07-24-2003, 10:45 AM   #37
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Default Don't forget the most important rule!

The most important factor, the one that far outweighs any other factor by at least 10 magnitudes is stupidity. A moron with a helmet is dead meat. A moron without a helmet is dead meat. Probably a moron is more likely not to wear a helmet. But the cause of death is still usually stupidity. With a helmet you get a guy in a brain tank or a spoonfed quadraplegic. Without one you get a corpse. The latter is proabably a better result. Certainly it's a lower cost to society.



So those who don't want to see their insurance rates or the "burden on society" increase should actually be against helmet laws. Dead bikers don't collect social security. (See? I'm becoming a real socialist!)



It's also better to always wear your armored jacket and pants always, too. But anyone who says they always wear full protective gear before they get on their bike is most assuredly a liar. I think that those people should be denied insurance coverage as well. I don't want anyone to do anything that might cost me a buck sometime somewhere down the line.
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Old 07-24-2003, 10:51 AM   #38
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Default Re: Novice riders (both young and old) take heed...

My dad did almost exactly that to the brand new 1970 Kawasaki W2650SS that I bought when I was in the Navy and shipped back from Japan. Though he manged to wheelie it before hitting the pole.



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Old 07-24-2003, 10:52 AM   #39
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In Iowa? He was probably some farmer whose main experience is in driving a tractor down the highway at 12mph.
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Old 07-24-2003, 10:59 AM   #40
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Default Re: Deaths among riders 50 and over increased 26 percent.

It could very well be older riders sans helmets are driving up the death tally, or it could be alien invaders who bear some animus to older motorcyclist knocking them off the road with anti-gravity cannons. The point is that unlike Keynesian economic practice which has mountains of evidence proving it is an abject failure, the data on older rider deaths are incomplete, and, therefore open to all kinds of idiotic conjecture. Isn't that why you started this thread in the first place? VWW
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