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Old 07-23-2003, 12:04 PM   #61
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No thanks I prefer Milton Friedman, John Maynard Keynes and John Kenneth Galbraith. But no one guy has the all the answers. "Without government interference the free market laws of supply and demand would serve to regulate business in a way that would be more equitable to all. " I think your view is simplistic and naive. The constitution while a beautiful foundation for our laws was written in a time void of large multinational corporations capable of dominating governments.
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Old 07-23-2003, 12:15 PM   #62
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Follow the thread back to where it started. My point was that even the most poorly reasoned and informed arguments from the most mentally challenged can become dangerous in the wrong hands. The concept of racially superiority is scientifically and logically bankrupt yet it has been used to advance atrocities. I know nowhere near enough (but more than I care)about you, VWW or anybody else on this board, so I did not mean to ascribe any of these (violent) motives to you. The arguments many on this board have advanced, however, are the same as those used by various whack jobs. I occasionally feel compelled to check the spewing of these fallacies. To sum: Because something is simple does not mean it should be ignored. That is why I am responding to you.
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Old 07-23-2003, 12:27 PM   #63
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OK, to call Hitler a left winger is silly. Re-read (I'm giving you some credit here) history. He was nominally a socialist, yet even a cursory review of his ideology would find the two at odds.

As for the name calling, I only responded in kind. If any of my responses were ad hominen it is because there is little intellect to appeal to on your side of the argument. (pat yourself on the back, I gave you the response you wanted).



Because someone is not a self-styled libertarian whack job does not make them a "commie" I am far from a socialist or even a contemporary liberal. A classic liberal perhaps, yet I find much of Burke as appealing as I find Mill. I haven't read either in nearly 10 years. Perhaps I should dig out one of the two. It may help cleanse my mind of all the dribble that has been thrown at it here.



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Old 07-23-2003, 01:10 PM   #64
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Keynes? Are you daft? His loony economic theories have nearly destroyed western civilization. Give me a break.
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Old 07-23-2003, 01:28 PM   #65
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KPaul it is because of the deficit spending idiocy espoused by John Maynard Keynes, and followed by every administration since FDR, that we are in the sorry financial dilemma that we have today. The very fact that you lump Milton Friedman and Keynes together exposes your utter lack of economic theory. If you don't wish to at least glimpse at the Mises site that's ok, but without some study of the subject any comments you may have about it become uninformed prattle. VWW
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Old 07-23-2003, 01:53 PM   #66
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"All indications I have (not the least of which is your ringing endorsement) indicate that DiLorenzo's book is is about 25% substance and 75% crap."



All indications that I have show me that

(A) you haven't read the book.

(B) you are running your mouth off about something of which you know NOTHING about. (C) If I am slightly paranoid it is only because of simpering left wing whiners with unfounded fears about people who present a threat to their carefully constructed fantasy worlds, and want goverment stooges to protect them from those who would dare point out those fantasies for what they are. VWW
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Old 07-23-2003, 02:50 PM   #67
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Default I am not lumping them in to the same cat you did Whacko.

By the way in addition to my degrees in Electrical Engineering and Business Administration, I have a minor in Economics. Friedman an monetarist and Keynes a fiscalist are two sometimes opposing economists which I have studied. Contary to your whacko economic messiah. So get a reality check.
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Old 07-23-2003, 02:55 PM   #68
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I said no one guy has the answers. Keynes was a great economist just as Friedman is. and Galbreth was. By the way his theories and models of fiscal policy are still tought today. Pick up the famous Samualson textbook at any college bookstore and you will get an objective view of his theories.



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Old 07-23-2003, 04:11 PM   #69
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KPaul I will have to admit some culpability in joining in this arguement in the first place. It was only my overwhelming hubris that led me to try and break through that log jam that surrounds what some may euphemistically refer to as your center of reasoning, after so many others have failed. The fact that you have a "minor" in economics from which ever state college that you attended, and still are unaware of Ludwig von Mises whose dicsiples include such luminaries as Murray Rothbard, and Lewellen Rockwell who's accumen far outweigh that of everyone involved in this thread and more, show that your minor was a hopelessly inadequate exercise in education. If you insist on believing that your knowlege of economics is complete, and you refuse to even give a cursory examination of the site dedicated to a man that many of the finest minds of the twentieth century consider to be the ultimate authority in the field of market economy, then I give up. You are right and I am an idiot for even entering this disscusion with a man of your obvious brilliance. VWW
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Old 07-23-2003, 05:38 PM   #70
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Well the facts of it are the government will not stick to its duties outlined in the Constitution when there is money to be made by not doing so. Free market laws will never be able to fully play out for the same reasons the government won't stick to it's duties. Greed. You can read all the Ludwig you want but when you don't factor in the human element (greed, corruption, quest for power, etc) that ultimately drives government and economics and everything else in the world your most brilliant theories are good for nothing. This utopian society where government "sticks to its duties" and no one tries to take advantage of someone else to make a buck will never exist. Hence, the checks and balances I spoke about before come in to play. Maybe the brilliant economist Ludwig does have it all figured out- on paper. Did he explain how to make every human on earth honest and content with only taking his or her share? Until he figures that one out it's moot. LudwigÂ’s economic theories put in to place would never reach their full potential and we would end up with regulation, legislation, litigation, and so on just like we have now.</p>



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"kowalke67, your failure to grasp the salient, and obvious, point made in my diatribe ranks as a new paradigm in the annals of obtuse behavior. The fact that KPaul agrees with you should cause you to rethink your approval of governmental dictates. VWW"



Is that the best rebuttal your non-state institution acquired education afforded you? Prove to us you really know something about economics and ask for your money back.</p>



You should spend a little less time reading theory- and your dictionary and your thesaurus (or using WordÂ’s synonyms feature)- and spend a little more time using common sense and watch what is actually happening in the world around you. Maybe then you could do something worthwhile with your brilliant vocabulary. Apparently you feel it is necessary to spout off like a raven regurgitating what you've read in books in an attempt to impress people. It's not impressive. Guys like you are a dime a dozen- full of someone elseÂ’s thoughts, your own hot air, and rapidly boring.</p>
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