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Old 12-12-2000, 10:33 AM   #11
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Default Chief Justice Froman's Supreme Court

Would be known as the one with the lightest work load ever. Under Abe's tenure, the Federal Government would have no power at all, other than defense and a few other things.



Luckily for us, most Supreme Court Justices have decided that the commerce clause of Article II does indeed allow the Feds to have a say in safety of vehicle occupants on federally-funded roadways, including motorcycles.



I think you need to buy an island in the south pacific and start your own county, Abe. I think you'd be much happier there.
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Old 12-12-2000, 10:39 AM   #12
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Default "Government People"

I think you need to READ the report and see who those "government people" actually are. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.



Get the facts before you jump to conclusions.
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Old 12-12-2000, 10:44 AM   #13
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Default Reading is Fundamental

Like I said to the guy above, you should go and read the report. What they want to do is encourage and promote motorcycling and motorcycle safety, and I can't imagine a better use of my tax dollars.



If the research and education programs save 1,000 lives, would that be worth the expenditure? 100? 50? What's the value of a human life?



I like it when people whine about the government spending money, when most americans benefit from billions and billions of dollars of welfare euphamistically called the "mortgage interest deduction." Quit complaining and enjoy the welfare state.

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Old 12-12-2000, 11:11 AM   #14
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Default Re: National Agenda for Motorcycle Safety

Before Cycleshark.com went belly up in the water, there was an interesting interview with Harry Hurt on the site. Harry's three most important pieces of advice for riders wanting to stay out of trouble were:

1) Use the front brake.

2) Use the front brake.

3) Use the front brake.

Apparently, there are still a lot of riders out there who are afraid of their front brakes. I guess they're afraid that their 700 pound Road Stars will flip over and drive them into the ground like a tent stake if they touch the lever.



Rider education and training should obviously be the number one priority.
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Old 12-12-2000, 11:14 AM   #15
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What are you, some kind of commie socialist Gore voter? Not taking taxes from people is not "welfare."
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Old 12-12-2000, 11:57 AM   #16
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Default Re: National Agenda for Motorcycle Safety

You should care, because the car driver that irresponsible person just pissed off is likely to act aggressively towards motorcyclists from then on. That includes you and me. I know this because I actually disliked motorcyclists before I became one. I realize now that it was exactly what I described that had happened to me - some irresponsible riders gave everyone a bad reputation in my mind. Of course, I'm reformed and repentant now...
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Old 12-12-2000, 02:21 PM   #17
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OK, so you make $60,000 a year and own a house. You write off $15,000 since you are paying mostly interest. That means you report $45,000 in earnings, and pay what, $8,000?



Now say I make $60,000 a year and rent. Because I am a stupid, bad and worthless person who can't afford to spend $500,000 for a 2 bedroom house where I live, I pay taxes on my full income, or almost $11,000. Frigging Pete Wilson killed our measly $76 renter's tax credit in California- how fair is that?



The way I see it, you get $3,000 a year in welfare at my expense. Ironically, the fancier, more valuable house you have, the more welfare you get. A single mother with two kids reciceving CALWOKS gets less than $4500 a year.



Tax credits or breaks are the same for the government as actually handing out cash. What's the difference between collecting $100 and giving out 20 or just collecting $80? At least when the government collects $100, they can keep some interest.



I love accusing middle class people of accepting welfare, because they hate the suggestion. American men are so vain- they like to believe that they have everything they have on their own merits- as if they didn't benefit from public education, stable courts, law enforcement, public roads, tax breaks, etc.



If the mortgage interest deduction was ever repealed, the government would get a trillion dollar windfall that they could use on schools, healthcare, infrastructure, or, horror of horrors, a tax break for low-income workers.
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Old 12-12-2000, 10:31 PM   #18
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Default Where Abe lives

It all makes sense when you realize that Abe Froman is a complex computer program that is cleverly designed to spout out John Birch Society gibberish when the program reads certain key phrases.



If anyone says "government", the program squacks, "Government bad! Free market good!". If anybody says "Clinton" or "Gore", the program rattles off phrases like, "restore dignity to the White House" or "Chinese Spies!"



Once you realize this, you will see that it is pointless to argue.



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Old 12-13-2000, 08:44 AM   #19
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Default Income taxes are Fundamental

I'm not going to argue about the legality of income taxes, although I will remind you that there IS a constitutional amendment (ratified by the states) that allows them.



Anyway, whether you call it welfare or just a nudge and a wink from Uncle Sam, you recieve a tax subsidy at the expense of renters, like it or not.



Even if you did call it welfare, I'll bet you'd still take the deduction!



Ha, ha! Welfare, welfare, welfare!
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