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Old 02-21-2003, 08:39 AM   #11
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MotoGP IRTA Test, Jerez Day 1



1.Alex Barros Gauloises Yamaha Team 1min 42.588secs

2.Carlos Checa Fortuna Yamaha Team 1min 43.277secs

3.Colin Edwards Alice Aprilia Racing 1min 43.699secs

4.Shinya Nakano Team Yamaha D'Antin 1min 43.794secs

5.Marco Melandri Fortuna Yamaha Team 1min 43.810secs

6.Loris Capirossi Ducati Marlboro Team 1min 43.943secs

7.Troy Bayliss Ducati Marlboro Team 1min 44.125secs

8.Noriyuki Haga Alice Aprilia Racing 1min 44.242secs

9.Kenny Roberts Suzuki Grand Prix Team 1min 44.558secs

10.John Hopkins Suzuki Grand Prix Team 1min 44.652secs

11.Olivier Jacque Gauloises Yamaha Team 1min 44.783secs



Comparative lap times 2002 Spanish Grand Prix



Pole Position: Valentino Rossi Repsol Honda 1min 42.193secs

Fastest Lap:Valentino Rossi Repsol Honda 1min 42.920secs

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Old 02-21-2003, 08:51 AM   #12
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Thanks for the ifno Joe, but you forgot to mention which of these bikes were running bio diesel. VWW
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Old 02-21-2003, 09:03 AM   #13
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I think you guys are missing the point with the whole, it costs more energy to make than to use argument. The point is that the oils can come from anywhere, and they are a renewable resource. Just beause ethanol is an inneficient proccess doesn't mean the same thing applies to producing oils. Also the chemical reaction that is used to create the biodiesle is a passive process that doesn't take any energy, besides the the stirrer(sp?). Plus as a bonus the byproduct of the whole process is very strong soap, to clean off the dirty hippies
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Old 02-21-2003, 09:06 AM   #14
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A friend of mine just bought a TDI from Cartr Volkswagon in seattle and they said his warrantee would still be fine.
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Old 02-21-2003, 09:10 AM   #15
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Another big point that seems to be missing from the discussion is the fact that Bio-diesel is the ONLY fuel that you can make for yourself. You don't have to give any money to any evil coorporations, and if you do it yourself it costs not even half as much as gas at the pump.
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Old 02-21-2003, 09:48 AM   #16
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Very cool! I think we should send Sean or Johnny over to Germany to test that GPZ/VW hybrid. Pretty clever engineering solution to a question nobody asked! Germans obviously have too much time on their hands!



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Old 02-21-2003, 09:57 AM   #17
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No, I get the point, but if, for example, it takes 1 gallon of diesel fuel for tractors etc to grow enough corn to produce 1 gallon of bio-diesel, that is not exactly gonna make much of a dent in our use of non-renuable energy. I don't know what the figures actually are -- probably not as bad as my example -- but there certainly is a significant non-renuable energy consumption required to produce bio-fuels. Maybe someone here has some figures?



If we use byproducts or other waste, that is a very different matter.
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Old 02-21-2003, 10:05 AM   #18
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Oh, i definitely agree with the use of byproducts making it more efficient(and will make you smell more like a Mcdonalds driving down the street [hey, note to McDondalds marketing staff...]), but you CAN run a tractor on biodiesel unlike ethanol. plus just the mere process of creating the bio fuel is far less energy consuming and overall a much more simple process (it's the same chemical reaction as used in making soap) than processing ethanol.
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Old 02-21-2003, 10:06 AM   #19
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Pretty clear it must be the Suzukis





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Old 02-21-2003, 10:11 AM   #20
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For an example of a bike with the 1.6 litre VW TDI motor, check out the link in pbx's first post above. Pretty cool for a homebuilt project.



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