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Old 01-27-2003, 01:49 PM   #61
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I hear ya. I have helped several people in starting to ride. For awhile, had an old beat-up 82 Yammie 650 that was a good teaching tool. Eventually, they would want to get a bike of their own, and no matter how I tried to push them towards a used mid or low displacemnt bike, they would always want the biggest, baddest bike they could or could not afford.
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Old 01-27-2003, 01:57 PM   #62
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Excellent post! Agree with everything you said.
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Old 01-27-2003, 02:03 PM   #63
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"Of course the Suzuki has actual brakes that can bounce my eyeballs off the inside of my face shield with their raw power."



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Old 01-27-2003, 02:07 PM   #64
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Yeah, lets just stay in our cave. As far as I am concerned, knowledge is a good thing.
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Old 01-27-2003, 02:44 PM   #65
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The reason that mileage is a poor denominator (as stated above by someone else) is that it is too difficult to determine. I concur that bike registrations are a somewhat better, if imperfect means of assessing CHANGES in risk, though not absolute risk. And by that criteria the risk assessment is not nearly so horrific.



It's a bit like assessing airplane flight risk. It turns out that the majority of crashes occur during take-off and landing, not in-flight, thus many have criticized using flight miles in the equation. I have read that using number of flights as their denominator results in a five fold increase in flight death risk and is more accurate in terms of assessment compared to other modes of travel.



I think a lot of people have made good points. Clearly, regardless of whether or not the risks have changed a little or a lot, riding a bike is inherently dangerous. Similarly, we should always be doing everything we can to make it safer (education, licensing requirements, better gear, safer bikes, car driver training, etc., etc.) no matter what the trends are.



I think an important point is that this article was not written to promote a renewed agenda to improve motorcycle safety but to sell papers with another gloom and doom, bikers are wackos, grab the kids and get them inside, orientation. And it worked, as every person I spoke with who doesn't ride, commented to me how insane it was to ride a bike.



In Tucson, this ran as the front page lead article - meaning the editors were calling this the most important news story in the world for that day. I'm sure it helped sell papers to their target population, a demographic not composed of a lot of riders.
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Old 01-28-2003, 08:10 AM   #66
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Oops. That would make it Nixon's 55MPH fiasco.
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Old 01-28-2003, 04:00 PM   #67
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>>it's just that "real men" don't buy them<<



My view is that "real men" don't give a flying fluck what someone else thinks real men ride.



Personally, if I were condemned to spending the remainder of my motorcycling life riding on bikes like Ninja 250s, Bandit 400s or old RD350s/400s, SR 500s etc, I could live with that with no real regret. I'll keep up with most modern sportbike riders in the tight twisties and certainly have as much fun doing so.



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