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Old 06-17-2002, 11:31 AM   #21
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Three HD comments:



1) How long will HD be able to promote the rebel image when you see so many HDs on the road? How can you be a rebel when you're just like all your neighbors?



2) That being said, I think HD has some appeal to younger customers. I'm 27, and I know many people my age who have bought HDs (VRods, Dueces, old lowriders). The V-Rod is a step in the right direction. How about the Rod's engine in the new XJ9R? I'd be interested if it was under $11k. Okay, never mind.



3) Try to follow me here: HD tries to cultivate an image about returning to your roots, ride what your grandpa rode, etc, even though very few of the current riders have any connection to HD. That's why so many of thier bikes use styling (and to some degree, technology) from the 1950's. Now many boomers are riding, and many of them have young kids. These kids will grow up as HD fans, cause it's what Dad had. Combine this with the fact that they'll probably still be able to buy a bike that looks like the bike they grew up riding on the back of, and I think that might help HD's future sales.



An interesting point in the article mentioned the growth of dual sports. A recent Cycle World shootout had the V-Strom tied with the VFR for best streetbike. With the popularity of SUVs in this country, it has definetly been shown that people want vehicles that can go off-road, even if they never even drive on gravel. Could this segment really explode? I have seen a lot of bumblebeemers lately...



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Old 06-17-2002, 11:33 AM   #22
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My two cents about 'hair bands'



Some '80s "hair band" guitarists:



Eddie Van Halen

Steve Vai

Phil Collen

George Lynch

Paul Gilbert

Richie Sambora

Zakk Wylde

Vivian Campbell

Slash

Chris deGarmo



Positively every guitarist listed is an excellent musician.
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Old 06-17-2002, 11:36 AM   #23
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Ok Face it good people, Harleys pick up chicks.

Its the prefect midlife crisis tool. Your wife , if your still married, is spending all her time spending your hard earned bucks at the mall.

If your not still married, you probably still support her in some form. Or you at least want to drive by your old house, she and her boyfriend live in, on your harley with a 28 yearold blonde on the back. So you head down to the HD dealer and a used Fatboy for only 285 bucks a month is calling your name.

Thats alot cheaper than the Corvette you were looking at. Bingo instant born again rider.
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Old 06-17-2002, 11:56 AM   #24
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as repoted to motorcycle consumer news, market share is as follows

honda 28.8%

harley 23.3%

yamaha 19.4%

suzuki 12.0%

kawasaki 9.8%

bmw 1.6%

ktm 1.6%

buell .9%

triumph .8%

ducati .7%

indian .5%

polaris/victory .3%

aprilia .3%

mz .02%



there are also listings for total units sold but I don't have time to type that much. look in mcn july 2002 page 7 if you can find a copy.
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Old 06-17-2002, 12:02 PM   #25
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Your right, Fizz. The 80s produced some positively great musicians. I especially like Eddie and Richie from your list.



My two cents still say that, thanks to MTV, the 80s also produced a lot of bands that looked better than they sounded.



And if video appearance can surpass musicianship for a lot of people, maybe "mystique" can surpass technology for those same people. That was my point, really.



If I'm wrong about MTV, then maybe Harley will be out of business in 20 years. KPaul, sell your stock before then
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Old 06-17-2002, 12:11 PM   #26
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I just had a Harley Electra Glide as a loaner while my Triumph was in for service. I only had it a couple of days, but now that I have actually ridden a Harley I have a slightly different perspective than I did before.



1. Even with stock pipes it is loud. It may not be as loud as it would be with straight pipes, but it is still a whole lot louder than any other bike I have ridden.



2. It gets a whole lot of attention, mostly favorable, from people who don't ride. That includes attention from women who have shown no interest in my sportbike. If you want to pick up chicks, the Harley seems to be the tool of choice.



3. It is the first vehicle of any kind that I didn't feel the urge to test for top speed. I suppose you could do that, but that is missing the point. It was fun just to putt along on the Harley. There is joy in that, too.



4. It is low tech, but you don't notice that as much as its mass. You feel the mass rotating beneath you, and it feels like a locomotive- immensely strong if not particularly agile or quick.



5. It is very comfortable. Even more forward footpegs would be hard on the back, but the Harley was a whole lot more comfortable than a BMW R1100RT that I put some miles on. Vibration was there but was not really the problem that I expected.



So, those of us who ride sportbikes should ride one of these things before judging them. If I were going to ride across the country many times, I would seriously consider one of those monsters. If my main reason for riding was to get attention, I would want one even more. As it is, I commute on my TT600 and go on longer rides of 400 to 600 miles in a given day, and the sportbike is great for that kind of thing.



One last thing, I am a 42 year old bald guy, so I can't really grow a grey pony tail, and I am still married to my first and, I hope, only wife, so I don't really need to pick up chicks right now.
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Old 06-17-2002, 12:15 PM   #27
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It is great to see the mainstream media reporting Ride to Work Day, even if it is not much more than a passing reference.



I ride year round, and it always amazes me when the bikes come out in the sun. I am probably one bike out of 1000 or more bigger vehicles in January, but the ratio gets much better in July.



The more we ride, the more visible we will be and the more mainstream acceptance we will get.
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Old 06-17-2002, 12:30 PM   #28
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Wait a minute...



1. It's loud.

2. Gets attention.

3. It's slow.

4. It's low-tech and immense.

5. It's comfortable.



I guess there some days out of the year where I'd like to ride a Mardi Gras parade float. Chicks dig it.
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Old 06-17-2002, 12:32 PM   #29
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Actually, the point could be made that '80's MTV produced a lot of bands that sounded better than they looked----as opposed to today, where that trend is reversed. Most "artists" (whatever happened to the term 'musicians'?) on MTV today don't play an instrument or write any songs. They have makeup applied and stand around humming a few bars for the camera. MTV should be renamed 'Model TeleVision' (of course, 'Lil 'Kim and Pink both look like 10 miles of bad road, so maybe not.)
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Old 06-17-2002, 12:38 PM   #30
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My personal opinion is that people don't buy SUV's because they want a vehicle that goes off-road----they buy them because they want 4-wheel drive for snow (I live in Minnesota), decent power (for towing perhaps) and space. In days gone by, most cars could tow the family boat. Today, most cars are not recommended for towing a trailer with two snowmobiles. It's hard to find a car with this mix of features.
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