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Old 05-06-2008, 05:38 AM   #31
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I got it now. Not sleeping really isn't sleep deprivation, and traveling faster than the speed limit isn't really speeding. Got it. I see now. I just fail to understand simple shyt like that. That has been my problem my whole life is that I don't really understand the concepts of what we are discussing. Kind of Clinton saying he really didn't have sex with 'that woman' because there was no penetration involved. Natch. Now that you explained all that to me, then you are right, there is no speeding or sleep deprivation. Hell, you don't even get tired either! Well there ya have it. You were right all along!
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Old 05-06-2008, 07:13 AM   #32
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*shrug*

Your concern all along has been that the riders who do IBA events -- whether the Rally or anything else -- are unsafe. They ride at unsafe speeds; they are sleep deprived. There's a difference between riding at Cannonball speeds (which we disapprove of) and riding at 7-10 over on a freeway, when the latter is pretty much the prevailing speed. The former speed is going to be a lot less safe than the latter speed.

Same with "sleep deprivation." Where's the danger if you're alert? You don't need eight hours of sleep at your regular time to stay awake and alert, particularly on a 24 hour ride. The key is understanding your body's needs and knowing what to do to stay alert, or (on longer rides) how to work in enough effective sleep.
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Old 05-06-2008, 07:48 AM   #33
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"Same with "sleep deprivation." Where's the danger if you're alert? You don't need eight hours of sleep at your regular time to stay awake and alert, particularly on a 24 hour ride."

I fugured you would say that. Taken from Wiki:

According to a 2000 study published in the British Medical Journal, researchers in Australia and New Zealand reported that sleep deprivation can have some of the same hazardous effects as being drunk.[16] People who drove after being awake for 17–19 hours performed worse than those with a blood alcohol level of .05 percent, which is the legal limit for drunk driving in most western European countries (the U.S. and UK set their blood alcohol limits at .08 percent). In addition, as a result of continuous muscular activity without proper rest time, effects such as cramping are much more frequent in sleep-deprived individuals.

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Old 05-06-2008, 08:13 AM   #34
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* You don't need eight hours of sleep at your regular time to stay awake and alert, particularly on a 24 hour ride. The key is understanding your body's needs and knowing what to do to stay alert,
Thus, the sacks full of cocaine.
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Old 05-06-2008, 08:17 AM   #35
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Thus, the sacks full of cocaine.
Or the sacks of crank for that modern "toothless skull look" that's ever so popular these days. 'Course with crank the ironbutters might end up racing across Central America instead to avoid all those giant grasshoppers that are chasing them.
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Old 05-06-2008, 08:24 AM   #36
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"Same with "sleep deprivation." Where's the danger if you're alert? You don't need eight hours of sleep at your regular time to stay awake and alert, particularly on a 24 hour ride."

I fugured you would say that. Taken from Wiki:

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I don't deny that sleep deprivation exists or that it has effects. It can, however, be forestalled if you know what you're doing.
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"I don't deny that sleep deprivation exists or that it has effects."

Okay, so you already admitted speeding, and now this. Are we there yet??
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If you want to think you've won the argument, be my guest.
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You are a lawyer. If we were in court what would the judge say??
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I honestly think the judge would share your concerns, but that she would also understand that IB riders take care to ride safely, and have developed techniques to do so.
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