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Old 05-04-2008, 05:32 PM   #21
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Pah. Unlike you, I've done these rides using the time management skills that you pooh-pooh.

Longride, give it a shot. Go over to the Iron Butt Association website, and read what the site has to say about long distance riding. Read the forum for advice and hints. (Heck, email me if you want advice.) And then, try a long ride -- 500, 600 miles -- with an effort to keep your stops as short as possible. You just might be astonished at how quickly you will finish the ride, without undue speeding (ie, less than 10 over).

If I had not done this myself I wouldn't be so insistent. I probably would have the same skepticism you (and others) have about IBA-style riding. But I've done it, it works, and I am no longer a skeptic. Try it sometime.
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Old 05-04-2008, 06:18 PM   #22
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Oh, think that's it? Well, dear, I'll leave you to your soma.
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Old 05-04-2008, 09:32 PM   #23
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If you feel you need to sell the bike that's you're decision, no one else's. You'd probably have more luck on your local craigslist than here. A lot of us deal with injuries and still ride however again that's your decision, good luck with it. I have arthritis in my back that was exacerbated by a M/C accident a few years ago, if I stand or walk for any length of time the pain is pretty intense. Fortunately I have what's basically a sit down job or I'd have some real problems. When it gets too much I eat a few hydracods and wash them down with Gin or Whiskey, not the best solution but sometimes it just don't stop. Good luck with whatever you decide
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Old 05-05-2008, 04:57 AM   #24
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I understand that certain things in LD riding can be done with your style. What I am telling you is that the people that finish at the top of the Iron Butt are not using your style. To do well you need to speed and sleep deprive. It is as common in Iron Butt as steroids in bodybuilding. I don't need to rat on these people. They rat on themselves! That is reality. I think you know that is reality. I know you do the events, but you will never, ever place well or win without doing the things they supposedly are against. That is why the whole event is B.S. You know that stuff exists, and the Iron Butt people do too, yet they act oblivious to it. I'm just speaking what everyone else, including yourself, knows. I really have no real desire to do that type of riding. When I tour, I have found that 300 to 400 miles a day is perfect. I can get where I want to go, and actually enjoy all the things to see and do along the way. I have done multiple high-mileage days as necessary, but I found them mind-numbing and boring. I appreciate the fact that you stick to the rules of the event, but I would say that most don't, and especially the people that finish at the top, which makes it a sham in my book. It is very much like the roided up baseball players setting home run records. Nice, but fake. I am not as much a skeptic as a realist. It would be nice if the Iron Butt kept it real.
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Old 05-05-2008, 08:04 AM   #25
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Longride, "everyone knows" is not a very good argument. In fact, it's not an "argument" at all - it's an appeal to bias. "Look! Everyone agrees with me so you must be wrong!"

I've demonstrated to you that it is possible to make good mileage without speeding or sleep deprivation, from my own example. You have (finally) grudgingly admitted that it can be done. But you still want to think that IBR riders must be sleep deprived and speeding.

I can't persuade you otherwise, obviously. I'll just leave you with the comment that (as I've said before) you don't *know* anything. And unless you have the gumption to go out and try these rides, you never will.
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Old 05-05-2008, 08:17 AM   #26
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Since I have quoted more than one source of Iron Butt riders who have admitted speeding with little sleep, I guess there is no convincing you. Just think, there really wasn't a steroid problem in baseball until they actually looked. Everybody knew then too, but never said anything. Keeping your head in the sand about it doesn't make it go away. They can't make those kinds of mileages with normal riding.You have also (finally) grudgingy admitted that Iron Butt riders speed. I can easily prove my point by just following one of the leaders around. Certainly not worth my while, but it can be easily proven. Lets take the Bun Burner Gold. 1500 miles in 24 hours. That averages out to 62.5 mph for the entire 24 hours. So tell me again how there is no speeding and no sleep deprivation. The funny part is some of the Iron Butt guys do this more than one day in a row. Like my old Chief used to say, I might be dumb, but I'm not stupid.
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Old 05-05-2008, 06:45 PM   #27
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Hey, we musta had the same chief. 'cept he sent me messcookin' TWICE for being a Parachute Rigger..damn blackshoe...
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Lets take the Bun Burner Gold. 1500 miles in 24 hours. That averages out to 62.5 mph for the entire 24 hours. So tell me again how there is no speeding and no sleep deprivation. The funny part is some of the Iron Butt guys do this more than one day in a row. Like my old Chief used to say, I might be dumb, but I'm not stupid.
Well, I've explained how I can do it without speeding. Short stops. I'd still need to stay in the saddle for 23 plus hours. Is that sleep deprivation? You might think so, but I'm not in bad shape when a 24 hour ride is done. The key to these things is to set your body up to stay awake - it's partly training in LD riding, and partly setting yourself up physically. I wean myself off coffee (and caffeine in general) a few weeks before a ride. If I didn't cut out caffeine, I'd tend to get less focused in the afternoon, and I'd start to fall asleep at 10-11 PM. Guys who do multi-day rides try to avoid any caffeine at all, but because I do only the one-day rides, I'll treat myself to a coke around 11. Peps me right up, and I'm generally fine for the rest of the ride. Also, experience (which is training) helps. I'm definitely better at this now than I was when I started!

The other things I do involve the foods I eat (very little, and usually dried fruits or cereal bars) and what I drink -- lots of gatorade! I also have my bike set up for maximum comfort, aided by Aleve every twelve hours. Because I'm comfortable, I don't get tired or strained. I can also see very well because of all the lights (three HID bulbs, three halogens). I don't get cold because I have electrics.

So, when I do one of these rides, I am confident that I can stay awake and alert for more than 24 hours. I'm confident that because of the way I have set up my bike, I can stay focused on riding. I don't call that "sleep deprivation."

Now I've said this before, but I would not sign up for a multi-day rally (except perhaps a 50 CC, which I have no doubt I could do.) I know my own limitations -- I can't catnap, which is a necessity for multi-day rides. I have no doubt that others can do multi-day rides safely, even though they don't sleep in a bed for 8 hours every night.
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Old 05-05-2008, 08:26 PM   #29
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The other things I do involve the foods I eat (very little, and usually dried fruits or cereal bars) and what I drink -- lots of gatorade! I also have my bike set up for maximum comfort, aided by Aleve every twelve hours.
If you can't Eat Right, at least Eat Light! I second on the Naproxen or some other analgesic. Helps me keep from "stiffening up" when in the saddle extended hours. How did Cowboys ever do that on them big, fleshy, primitively self-aware motorcycles back in the 1800's?

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For this kind of ride, eating light is eating right. Eating too much, or the wrong things, puts you right to sleep! This is something every rider has to work out for herself or himself -- it's definitely an individual thing, and what works for me may not work very well for anyone else.
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